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10TH MEETING OF THE SHERWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION. ORDER, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. HOSKIN, HERE. EVANS HERE. PATEL HERE. CLUFF. MARTIN. HERE. WILLIAMS, HERE. TO MAKE THE COMMISSION AWARE. IF Y'ALL AREN'T ALREADY AWARE, MISS JONES HAS SUBMITTED HER RESIGNATION FROM THE COMMISSION. SO WE HAVE AN OPEN SEAT CURRENTLY. I THINK THE I THINK THE MAYOR HAS A CANDIDATE IN MIND FROM. SO THEY DID. OKAY, SO WE HAVE AN ACCEPTED CANDIDATE THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE COUNCIL THIS MONTH. SO WE SHOULD HAVE THAT SEAT FILLED AT THE JULY MEETING. SO FIRST ITEM IS THE[3. Approval of May 13th, 2025, Meeting Minutes ]
APPROVAL OF THE MAY 13TH MEETING MINUTES. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS CORRECTIONS QUESTIONS DISCUSSION. ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. HOSKIN. YES, EVANS. ABSTAIN. PATEL. ABSTAIN. MARTIN I WILLIAMS I. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. I DO HAVE NUMBER SIX. THE ITEM FOR[4. Approval of the Agenda]
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT 816 EAST KILL, SUITE EIGHT. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A TABLE UNTIL THE JULY 8TH MEETING. OKAY. THAT WILL TAKE A MOTION AND A VOTE OF THE OF THE COMMISSION TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER SIX TO JULY HOSKIN.EVANS I PATEL. HI MARTIN I WILLIAMS I SITE PLAN AT 200 HILLCREST ROAD OKAY. SO BEFORE
[5. Site Plan at 200 Hillcrest Road. Kevin Miller, Applicant.]
WE JUMP INTO THIS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A PRINTOUT OF THE LATEST REVISION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. AND WE'LL GO THROUGH IT IN JUST A MOMENT TO ADDRESS ANY OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT REMAIN. BUT THIS IS THE FOURTH VERSION THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS WHEN PACKETS WERE PUBLISHED. SO WITH THAT THIS APPLICATION IS FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW OF A DEVELOPED 1.48 ACRE PARCEL. IT IS ZONED C3 AND IT IS TO THE SOUTH OF HILLCREST ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING SITE BASED ON A CHANGE OF USE TO ALLOW AN INDOOR KENNEL. IT'S A DOG BOARDING AND DAYCARE FACILITY, AND THE USE OF KENNELS IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND C3, SO USE IS NOT AN ISSUE THIS EVENING. THE PRIOR USE OF THE SITE, IF YOU HAVE LOOKED AT IT ONLINE OR WENT OUT TO VISIT IT, IS A FORMER AT&T SERVICE CENTER AND IT WAS UTILIZED AS UTILITY YARD. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ENCLOSE THE COVERED STORAGE AREA TO CREATE A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT CLIMATE CONTROLLED INDOOR PLAY AND BOARDING AREA, BEST DESCRIBED AS POSH PARK. SO THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS CAPTURED IN THE APPLICATION INCLUDE MAKING THE EXISTING STRUCTURE INTO A TOTAL ADDITION AND ALSO INCORPORATING THE LANDSCAPE FOR VISUAL ENHANCEMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU AND ALSO ON THE SCREEN, IT WILL STAY NORTH OF THIS LINE HERE, ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE BUILDING ENDS, BUT NO ADDITIONAL PLANS ARE PROPOSED OR PHASED DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME. FOR THE REAR PORTION OF THAT LOT, STAFF HAS COORDINATED SINCE, LIKE WE HAD JUST DISCUSSED A MOMENT AGO WITH THE APPLICANT TO REVIEW A FOURTH REVISION THAT WAS SUBMITTED. AND MOSTLY ALL OF THE TECHNICAL ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED WITH THIS REVISION. SO WITH THAT, STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDER CONTINGENT APPROVAL UPON THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS BEING ADDRESSED. REVISE THE PLAN TO DETAIL THE DIMENSION FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE EAST PROPERTY LINE. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE. WOULD IT BE EASIER FOR ME TO SHOW YOU ON THE SCREEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SINCE THAT IS A TINY LITTLE PRINTOUT. SO RIGHT HERE, WE STILL NEED THE DIMENSION FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE EAST PROPERTY LINE. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LEGEND ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN, WHICH DETAILS THE LINE WEIGHTS OF THESE EXISTING UTILITIES. AND THEN ALSO IN ADDITION TO THAT, TO CLARIFY WHICH GRAPHIC SCALE WAS ACTUALLY UTILIZED WHILE CREATING THIS SITE PLAN. WITH THAT, THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT.THEY DO PROPOSE TO RETAIN A DUMPSTER ON SITE, AND I DO BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE IN THIS PORTION OF THE LOT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE STRICTLY FOR THE WASTE DISPOSAL AND ACCESS FOR THE TRUCK. AND THEN ALSO, THE ONE MAJOR CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER THIS EVENING WOULD BE CONTINUING THIS LANDSCAPE STRIP NORTHWARD FOR
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VISUAL ENHANCEMENT AND PERIMETER TREATMENT OF THE PROPERTY UPON THE MODIFICATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT WAS KIND OF QUICK, AND I PROMISED TO TALK SLOW. YOU'VE GOT IT. YOU'VE GOT A COMMENT ON THE ON THE PRINTOUT THAT WE HAVE ABOUT SCREENING THAT SOUTHERN BORDER AND LOOK LIKE SOME ARROWS TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THAT SOUTHERN HALF OF THE LOT. YEAH. SO THE PLAN THERE. SO THE PLAN THERE, THERE IS EXISTING CHAIN LINK ON SITE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ADD A SCREENING MATERIAL TO MAKE IT OPAQUE IN NATURE. WHENEVER WE ORIGINALLY MET, BASED ON THE CONFIGURATIONS OF THE EXISTING SITE AND IT BEING BUILT AND IMPERVIOUS, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT FOCUS THE LANDSCAPING ON THAT WESTERN PORTION OF THE LOT. IT WOULD BE ENCOURAGED AS WELL THAT WE GET SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS, POTENTIALLY TO THE SOUTH, ALTHOUGH STAFF WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE MORE PRESSING IN A BENEFIT TO FOCUS ON THE WEST.BUT ON THAT SOUTHERN LINE, ARE WE NOT ABUTTING? IF I GOT MY BEARINGS RIGHT, A BUDDING A RESIDENT IS A BUDDING RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL LOT THERE. I WOULD SAY MAYBE ON THE RECORD, IF FACE DEVELOPMENT WERE TO OCCUR IN THE FUTURE, WE COULD DEFINITELY INCORPORATE THAT AS WE NATURALLY WOULD. OKAY. SO IS WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE PLANS FOR THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT? WHAT DO THEY PLAN ON USING IT FOR PARKING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. SO THE PARKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND ALSO VISITORS OF THE BUSINESS WILL BE CAPTURED WITHIN THE ASPHALT PARKING THAT'S EXISTING ON SITE. THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THERE IS NO UTILIZATION AT THIS TIME FOR THAT GRAVEL PARKING AREA, OTHER THAN FOR A GARBAGE TRUCK TO ACCESS TO EMPTY THE DUMPSTER.
THERE'S NO MENTION ON THE SITE PLAN OF EXACTLY WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS GOING TO BE OR, OR ANY KIND OF DON'T THE REGULATIONS REQUIRE AN ENCLOSURE, THE DUMPSTER AS WELL? YES. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CAPTURE WITH THE CONTINGENT SITE PLAN APPROVAL. OKAY. IF THAT IS WHAT THE COMMISSION WISHES THIS EVENING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS. RIGHT. ON THE. WEST SIDE. WHERE THAT'S GREEN RIGHT THERE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THEIR WEST LINE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LANDSCAPING DOWN TO WHERE THIS CHAIN LINK IS RIGHT HERE ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP.
YEAH ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP. BUT YEAH THE CHAIN LINK DOWN. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY LANDSCAPING. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AT THIS TIME. YOU RECOMMEND PUTTING SOME KIND OF SCREENING RIGHT ON THOSE. THE GRAY AREA. WHICH PART ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THIS AREA.
YEAH. THE WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE AREA. THE GRAY ONE. SO THE BASICALLY THE MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING SITE IS BASED ON THE CHANGE OF USE, AND IT IS STRICTLY WITHIN THE TOP HALF OF THIS LOT THAT IS DETAILED. I WOULD SAY IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROPRIATE IF PHASE DEVELOPMENT WERE TO OCCUR, THAT WE COME DOWN HERE AND ADDRESS THE REAR PORTION OF THE LOT AT THAT TIME, IT'S ESSENTIALLY TO REMAIN UNDISTURBED AND FOCUS THE EFFORTS RIGHT NOW TO PROVIDE THE PERIMETER TREATMENT ALONG THIS WESTERN PORTION THAT IS GOING TO BE RENOVATED. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THAT'S NOT TO BE UTILIZED. AND ALSO WITH THE PLANS THAT ARE APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. SO WE CAN PUT A CONTINGENCY IN THAT SAYS WHAT WE'RE APPROVING DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GRAVEL PARKING LOT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU COULD. YES, SIR. YES. AND REQUIRE THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE, TO COME BACK, TO COME BACK IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT. YES. WE COULD HAVE IT ON THE RECORD IN THAT CASE. BUT WOULD THAT CAUSE SOME SORT OF ISSUE SINCE THEY'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING THE DUMPSTER BACK THERE? GOOD QUESTION. THAT WOULD BE AT YOUR PURVIEW TO DETERMINE AT THIS POINT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REQUIRE THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG ALL PERIMETERS THAT COULD ACCEPT THAT AT THIS POINT, GIVEN THE BUILT NATURE OF THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE SPECIFICALLY. WEST OF THE CORRECT. IF THE COMMISSION WISHES, IT COULD CERTAINLY EXTEND DOWN THE WESTERN PROPERTY AND ALONG THE SOUTHERN AS WELL. BUT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING RIGHT
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NOW IS JUST PUTTING SCREENING MATERIAL IN THE CHAIN LINK FENCING ON THE SOUTHERN LINE, ON THE SOUTH LINE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE CHAIN LINK. OH I'M SORRY. SO IT WOULD BE THE WEST TO SOUTH AND THE EAST, CORRECT? OKAY, OKAY. SO WITH ANY PHASED DEVELOPMENT LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE A NOTE OF THAT TO REQUIRE LANDSCAPING. IF THEY DO COME IN AND DEVELOP THE REAR PORTION OR EXPAND THE BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE. WELL I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY THEY DECIDE TO TAKE CHAIN LINK FENCE DOWN, MAY NOT WANT TO PUT LANDSCAPING. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THE GREEN AREA RIGHT NEXT TO IT, BUT I'M JUST THINKING. BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE IN WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WAS, IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THAT SCREENING MATERIAL ON THE WEST SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE OF THAT CHAIN LINK. YES. OKAY. THAT MAKE IT LOOK NICER? YES. OKAY.NOTHING UGLIER THAN CHAIN LINK FENCE. SO. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE MAKE THIS MOTION. BECAUSE YOU MAKE THIS MOTION CONTINGENT UPON THERE'S FOUR THERE'S FOUR ITEMS. RIGHT.
AND ALSO THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU. AND THAT'S ALSO ON THE SCREEN THIS EVENING I HAVE MARKED IT UP WITH THE CONTINGENT ITEMS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING. OKAY. SO THAT IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I'VE GOT IT I'VE GOT IT. AS I YOU WERE DISCUSSING I'VE GOT FIVE CONTINGENT ITEMS. YES. SCALE THE DIMENSION TO THE FROM THE BUILDING TO THE EAST LINE. THE LEGEND FOR THE UTILITIES LANDSCAPING ON THE WESTERN LINE UP THERE ON THE NORTH NORTHWEST CORNER PER SE.
IN A SCREENING THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. YES. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. WERE THERE PROPOSING FOR DUMPSTER? LOOKING AT THE MAP, IS THERE A THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD TO ACCESS THE DUMPSTER OR. IT IS AT THIS POINT, THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKE TO JUST ALLOWING THE TRUCK TO GO THROUGH THE GRAVEL LOT, AND IT WILL ALLOW TURNAROUND ACCESS AS WELL FOR THE TRUCK. AND I WILL SAY JUST CONSIDERING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THIS PARCEL ITSELF, AND THERE IS NO ADDITION BEING BUILT, THERE IS NO IN TECHNICALITY, NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR THIS DUMPSTER TO BE LOCATED. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AWAY FROM THE STREET SIDE OF VIEW. WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT IT POSITIONED TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, ANY MORE THAN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THOSE RESIDENTS. SO THIS COULD BE BEST CASE SCENARIO. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN DO THIS. IF I MESS IT UP, TELL ME OKAY I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE SITE PLAN CONTINGENT UPON THE FIVE CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE DISCUSSED ON THE WHAT WE DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT. AND ALSO THAT'S ON THIS NEW DRAWING THAT WE GOT TONIGHT. YES. PERFECT. SECOND, SECOND.
OKAY. SO JUST TO REPEAT THEM SO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THE FIVE, THE FIVE CONTINGENCIES CORRECTING THE ARCHITECTURAL SCALE DIMENSION BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE WESTERN I MEAN SORRY EXCUSE ME. EASTERN LINE NOTING THE UTILITIES ALONG HILLCREST WITH A LEGEND CONTINUING THE LANDSCAPING TO THE NORTH TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER THERE ON THE WESTERN LINE AND IN A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. THAT IS THE FIVE CONTINGENCIES. AGREED? YES, YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. HOSKIN EVANS, DELERY I PATEL. HI, MARTIN I WILLIAMS I.
TALK ABOUT PERFECT TIMING. IT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY. WHILE MR. WALDEN PREPARES
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HIMSELF SINCE HE'S TECHNICALLY NEXT, LET'S SKIP HIM FOR JUST A MOMENT AND MOVE ON TO THE OLD BUSINESS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 8TH MEETING. MINUTES. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, CORRECTIONS, COMMENTS TO THE APRIL 8TH MEETING MINUTES. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APRIL MINUTES AS WRITTEN. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. HOSKIN, EVANS DELERY I PATEL. ABSTAIN. MARTIN I WILLIAMS I.
OKAY, THAT ONE PASSES. YES. ALL RIGHT, MR. WALDEN, YOU'RE HERE FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THE
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BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE PUT OFF FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN I SAY I'M, IT'S LIKE I'M GOING TO LEAVE CONWAY AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE CONWAY WITH, LIKE, AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES OF LEEWAY TIME AND THEN DON'T ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT A TRACTOR TRAILER WAS BURNING FROM THE INSIDE OUT. OH, WOW. ON THE FREEWAY. AND I SWEAR, APPLE MAPS LIKE LIKE THEY THEY PROVIDE THE ETAS JUST TO TRAP YOU WHERE YOU CAN'T GET OFF THE EXIT. IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE 49 MINUTES AND THEN IT'S. AND THEN AS SOON AS I GET OFF THERE, IT'S LIKE, OH, IT'S GOING TO BE AN HOUR AND A HALF. OH, WELL, THE RADIO WAS A BIG HELP TOO, BECAUSE IT SAID IT WAS BETWEEN THE DAVE WARD EXIT AND THE MAYFLOWER EXIT. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD STRETCH. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD STRETCH OF ROAD THERE, YOU KNOW. YES. THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN US A LITTLE BIT BETTER. YEAH. GLAD YOU MADE IT. TALK TO US ABOUT BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS. YEAH. SO THE EXTERIOR BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS. SO THESE THESE ARE REALLY INTENDED TO DEAL WITH NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL USES, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL USES THAT TYPE. AND SO THEY APPLIED THE STANDARDS.IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM B THERE OR PARAGRAPH B IT APPLIES TO NEW BUILD, NEW PRIMARY BUILDINGS, EXPANSIONS, REMODELS AND RENOVATIONS THAT EXCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, TWO FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT FALLS WITHIN THE I-1 DISTRICT. SO THIS IS THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THEM, IN THAT THEY APPLY TO EVERYTHING EXCEPT C4 AND I-1. SO THIS DOES APPLY TO C4, WHICH IN A LOT OF WAYS WAS WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A WEIRD LOOPHOLE WITH THOSE REGULATIONS BECAUSE THE I-57 FRONTAGE IS SO MUCH OF A KIND OF A FRONT DOOR TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT WAS SORT OF ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE THE LEAST STRINGENT REGULATIONS APPLIED. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO APPLY THOSE SAME LEVEL OF REGULATIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN THE INTERIOR OF THE COMMUNITY TO THAT WHICH IS THE KIND OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO THE LARGER REGION AS WELL.
THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THIS SITUATION WOULD HAVE HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXEMPT ANY EXPANSION, REMODEL OR RENOVATION AFFECTING UP TO 30% OF A SINGLE OR MULTIPLE BUILDING FACADES, WHERE ADHERENCE TO THE STANDARDS WOULD RESULT IN A DESIGN THAT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE REGULATION.
SO BASICALLY, LIKE IF THEY'RE DOING AN EXPANSION, THEN THEY COULD THEY COULD WAIVE A PORTION OF IT TO SAY IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO APPLY THESE STANDARDS IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THERE ARE TWO PROCESSES WITH THIS. SO THERE ARE STANDARD EXTERIOR BUILDING DESIGN AND A STANDARD EXTERIOR BUILDING DESIGN MEETS ALL OF THE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. SO BASICALLY IT'S APPROVED BY ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF WHEN IT GOES THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. SO THERE'S NO PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR APPROVAL FROM Y'ALL OR ASK FOR APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS. IT JUST IS. IT GOES THROUGH. IF IT'S A NONSTANDARD EXTERIOR BUILDING, THEN THAT IS A SITUATION THAT IT IT ESSENTIALLY REQUIRES DETAILED REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED MATERIALS, AND IT GOES THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS. COMPLIANCE IS DETERMINED WHENEVER A BUILDING PERMIT IS PULLED. AND THE BASICALLY THE WE'LL REVIEW THE BUILDING DESIGN PROPOSAL. SO IT'S AT THAT TIME IT HAPPENS AT COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMIT. IF IT'S NOT FOUND TO COMPLY. THE SO BASICALLY PERMIT OFFICER WILL THEN PROVIDE THE APPLICANT ANY RELEVANT COMMENTS CITING WHY IT DOESN'T COMPLY. AND THEN THEY CAN EITHER CHOOSE TO REVISE THE DESIGN AND RESUBMIT, OR THEY THEN CAN APPLY FOR A NONSTANDARD EXTERIOR BUILDING DESIGN. AND SO ESSENTIALLY THERE'S A FEE THAT GOES WITH THAT. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION ON EVERYTHING. STAFF REVIEWS THAT APPLICATION. AND THEY PROVIDE THEY CAN PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON HOW YOU ALL SHOULD ACT, WHETHER TO APPROVE THAT NONSTANDARD BUILDING DESIGN OR WHETHER TO VOTE IT DOWN. THERE ARE CRITERIA FOR REVIEW. IF YOU, IN TERMS OF A PROVIDE FOR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ON THAT, THAT THERE'S NO DISCERNIBLE PUBLIC BENEFIT GAINED BY REQUIRING AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN, THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO REPRESENTS KIND OF AN INNOVATIVE
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USE OF NONSTANDARD BUILDING MATERIALS TO THE EXTENT THAT IT IT IT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM SORT OF THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA OR BASICALLY MAKING THEM ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS WOULD DEFEAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHY THE REGULATIONS EXIST. IF YOU GUYS DENY THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION IN THIS INSTANCE, THEN BASICALLY WITHIN 15 DAYS OF WHEN A DECISION IS RENDERED, THERE'S WRITTEN NOTICE FOR THE REASONS OF DENIAL. AND THEN THEY CAN THEY CAN APPEAL THAT DENIAL TO CITY COUNCIL. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY JUST GOES STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL. IT COMES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEN IF PLANNING COMMISSION DENIES IT AS WELL THEN IT CAN GO UP TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT AGAIN PART OF THIS IS THAT WE'RE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PROVIDING MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THESE, THAT IT'S NOT SO LIMITING IN THE WAY THAT IT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. SO IF IT DOES GO UP, FLOWS UP TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU ALL BASICALLY STAFF WILL REPORT THE FINDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING ANY RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND YOU. THEY CAN GRANT THAT, GRANT IT AS IT WAS PRESENTED, GRANT IT WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR RESTRICTIONS, DENY IT OR REMAND IT BACK TO THE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS FOR THAT. SO A STANDARD BUILDING GOES STRAIGHT THROUGH NON STANDARD BUILDING. THERE'S SOME HOOPS TO GO THROUGH ESSENTIALLY IS THE WAY THE WAY IT WORKS WITH THIS ON ON THIS. CAN I BREAK IN JUST FOR A SECOND. YES SIR. THIS WILL ADDRESS THAT ISSUE WE'VE GOT ABOUT THE BUILDING MATERIAL. THE EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIAL. YES.IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE COUNCIL. I THINK THAT WAS WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO. YES, CORRECT.
CURRENTLY IT GOES STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL EVERY TIME. YEAH. AND SO THIS BASICALLY YOU COULD GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. IT WOULD GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST SO THAT IT, IT'S KIND OF A AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY ELIMINATE COMING TO COUNCIL MOST OF THE TIME. YES. WELL I WOULD SAY BY AND LARGE AGAIN THESE THESE STANDARDS AREN'T, AREN'T, THEY'RE MORE STRINGENT IN SOME WAYS AND THEY'RE LESS STRINGENT IN OTHER WAYS. IT'S REALLY ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE PRIMARY FACADE IS VERY NICE. IT IS ADDRESSING HAVING MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE, I GUESS, MODERN, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EVOLUTION IN BUILDING MATERIALS. AND THAT'S KIND OF I THINK WHAT WE'VE RUN INTO IS WE KIND OF WEREN'T KEEPING UP WITH THE TRENDS. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO WITH THIS THERE'S PRIMARY FACADES, THERE'S SECONDARY FACADES. EACH BUILDING IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A PRIMARY FACADE. IT CAN'T LOOK LIKE JUST A SIMPLE BOX OR A TEMPORARY BUILDING PORTABLE BUILDING OF THAT TYPE. IT HAS TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF ARTICULATION. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT REALLY DIDN'T EXIST IN THE REGULATIONS CURRENTLY. BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH ARTICULATION IS BASICALLY TO PREVENT IT FROM LOOKING LIKE A JUST A BOX THAT IT'S GOT TO HAVE EXTENSIONS OR RECESSES THAT ARE AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU MIGHT HAVE AN EXTENSION THAT DENOTES WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS, OR YOU MIGHT HAVE KIND OF BULKED UP AT THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE, WHERE IT GOES OUT.
BUT BASICALLY EVERY SO OFTEN THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF DIFFERENTIATION IN THE FACADE CHARACTER. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE MINI STORAGE THAT'S ON 107, THEY'RE JUST NORTH OF MARYLAND, THAT IT'S GOT THAT BROKEN UP IN THAT THAT SIMILAR MANNER TO WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT JUST A BLANK FACADE THAT IT GOES THROUGH, AND IT'S GOT WHAT LOOKS LIKE A STOREFRONT AND WINDOWS THAT, THAT ALL BREAK IT UP TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE INTERESTING WITH THAT. THE PRIMARY BUILDING WOULD BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE STREET OF HIGHEST CLASSIFICATION, OR WHEREVER THE PRINCIPAL PUBLIC REALM IS ON THE SITE. THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE WEIRD THINGS WHERE, FOR INSTANCE, I WORKED IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY AND THEY HAD A. BASICALLY A RESTAURANT, AND THE RESTAURANT FACED BACKWARDS AWAY FROM THE STREET. AND SO YOU JUST SAW THE BACK OF IT. WELL, YOU KNOW THAT THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY THE KIND OF THE APPEARANCE THAT YOU WANT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT BASICALLY LIKE IF, IF, IF THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL, THEN IT CAN BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE PRINCIPAL ENTRANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. THE EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR DIFFERENT CLASSES, AND THOSE ARE VERY HIGH QUALITY, HIGH QUALITY, STANDARD
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QUALITY AND THEN LIMITED USE. SO CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, CLASS THREE, CLASS FOUR. WHAT IS CONSIDERED ESSENTIALLY CLASS ONE WOULD BE THINGS LIKE BRICK, STONE, STONE, STUCCO, GENUINE THREE. THE THREE PART STUCCO, THREE COAT STUCCO, BURNISHED GROUND FACED, PATTERNED OR SHAPED BLOCK ACM, WHICH IS ARCHITECTURAL COMPOSITE METAL. SO IT'S BASICALLY LIKE THE ARCHITECTURAL ALUMINUM METAL PANELS, ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY WALL PANELS THAT HAVE CONCEALED FASTENERS WITH THEM WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE. AND WITH EACH OF THESE WE HAVE LIKE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THESE TYPES OF PRODUCTS ARE. SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SUBMITS A PRODUCT TYPE THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, SO I'M USING SOMETHING THAT'S SIMILAR TO ALUCOBOND. THAT'S THE THAT'S A COMMON MATERIAL I'M USING, YOU KNOW, THIS VERSION OF IT, BUT IT'S AN IT'S AN EQUIVALENT MATERIAL. OTHER CLASS ONE WOULD BE LIKE CLEAR GLASS WHICH ONE OF THE THINGS ON THIS IS, IS REQUIREMENTS FOR ACTUAL GLASS ON FACADES. THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY A REQUIREMENT. SO YOU COULD TECHNICALLY COMPLY NOW BY HAVING BRICK ALL OVER THE FRONT OF IT AND JUST A DOOR. BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY WINDOWS. SO THIS IS KIND OF MAKING IT'S FOCUSING MORE ON THE ARCHITECTURE OF IT. GLASS BLOCK IS A CLASS ONE MATERIAL WOOD FIBER, FIBER CEMENT BOARD. ONE OF THE COMMON THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK IN SOME LARGER CITIES, THEY'LL HAVE LIKE THESE DIFFERENT COLOR PANELS THAT ARE ON BUILDINGS. THAT'S OFTEN FIBER CEMENT BOARD. IT'S REALLY VISUALLY INTERESTING. IT USES A LOT OF COLOR. IT'S VERY NEAT, BUT IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S JUST BASICALLY A PANEL SYSTEM ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. GETTING INTO TO CLASS TWO, YOU'VE GOT THINGS LIKE THIN BRICK, WHICH ARE A MUCH. IT'S BASICALLY JUST LIKE BRICK, BUT IT'S A PANEL SYSTEM THAT'S VERY, VERY THIN STONE PANEL AS OPPOSED TO JUST NATURAL STONE OR SYNTHETIC STONE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A PANEL SYSTEM.SPANDREL GLASS, WHICH IS KIND OF AN OPAQUE GLASS PANEL THAT'S FIRE FUZED. IT'S A IT'S KIND OF A NICHE MATERIAL, BUT IT'S NOT QUITE AS NICE AS, AS GLASS BLOCK. AND THEN THINGS LIKE COMPOSITE WOOD THAT ARE LIKE LP SMARTSIDE WHICH IS COMMONLY USED, YOU'LL SEE THAT USED WITH BOARD AND BATTEN TYPE TYPE MATERIALS, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN DO VERY SIMILAR FINISHES WITH FIBER CEMENT BOARD, IT'S JUST A SLIGHTLY LOWER QUALITY MATERIAL. THINGS THAT THAT FALL INTO CLASS THREE ARE THINGS LIKE SPLIT FACE BLOCK, SO THAT THAT HAS THAT KIND OF TEXTURED SURFACE ON IT.
ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY METAL PANEL THAT HAS EXPOSED FASTENERS. SO YOU'LL SEE YOU CAN SEE THE SCREWS ON THE OUTSIDE. THAT WOULD BE A CLASS THREE MATERIAL. TINTED GLASS WOULD BE A CLASS THREE MATERIAL. OR EXTERIOR INSULATED FINISHING SYSTEM. THAT'S ONE THAT FALLS UNDER THAT CLASS THREE MATERIAL. AND THEN THINGS LIKE TRANSLUCENT WALL PANEL SYSTEMS, WHICH IF YOU'VE GONE INTO GYMS OR INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND THEY'VE GOT THOSE LIKE THINGS THAT ARE YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP THAT LET THE LIGHT IN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT, WHAT FALLS IN THE LOWEST CATEGORY IS VINYL AND PVC VINYL AND PVC MIRRORED GLASS. JUST NORMAL PANEL METAL. SO WHAT WHAT YOU NORMALLY SEE ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING THAT'S USED ON JUST A NORMAL METAL BUILDING OR A NORMAL METAL ROOF, JUST PLAIN FLAT, FLAT, FLAT FACED BLOCK IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT. SO WHERE THESE THINGS COME IN, WHY THESE DIFFERENT CLASSES MATTER WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PRIMARY FACADE. SO THE PRIMARY FACADE IS GOING TO BE THAT ONE WHERE THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS ON, THAT YOU HAVE TO USE AT LEAST 50% CLASS ONE MATERIALS.
SO IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST THAT WITH AT LEAST 15% OF THAT BEING WINDOWS. SO THAT'S 15%. IT'S ABOUT A GOOD RANGE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GLASS STOREFRONT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NECESSARILY OVERWHELMING. BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT? NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE TO HAVE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT? SO NO MORE? I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE
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WINDOWS ON THE FRONT THAT JUST HAS GLASS DOORS. WELL, LET'S TAKE HOME DEPOT, THAT THAT TYPE BUILDING. WOULD THAT MEAN THEY'D HAVE TO PUT SOME WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING? THEY CAN EITHER DO WINDOWS OR THEY CAN APPLY FOR A NONSTANDARD BUILDING. OKAY. IN THAT SITUATION. YEAH. WHICH WOULD BRING IT TO THIS COMMISSION. YEAH. YEAH YEAH OKAY. YEAH I GOT NOW IT MAKES SENSE OKAY. SO IF THEY COME THEY COMPLY. IT CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY. YEAH OKAY. IF THEY IF THEY DON'T WANT TO COMPLY AS IT'S WRITTEN THEY COULD COME HERE. IT'S MEANT AS A GENTLE NUDGE LIKE HEY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DRIVE IN FROM DALLAS OR FLYING FROM ATLANTA, YOU KNOW, SAVE THAT COST, JUST GIVE US A YEAH, PUT SOME WINDOWS IN AND MAKE IT MAKE IT A LITTLE NICER BUILDING. OKAY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU KNOW CAR DEALERSHIPS, THEY DON'T USE BRICKS. IT'S ALL I GUESS FIBERGLASS OR THE GLASS ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO, YOU KNOW, THEIR STRUCTURE IS MORE THAN 50%. IS THE GLASS ON THAT? THAT'S FANTASTIC. YEAH, IT'S A GLASS. GLASS IN THAT SITUATION. IF IT'S LIKE A GENESIS DEALERSHIP WOULD BE WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. YEAH. THAT WOULD COMPLY. SO THE FACT THAT IT'S IT IS MORE THAN 50% GLASS. THAT'S A GOOD MATERIAL QUALITY MATERIAL OKAY. AND THEN SO 50% CLASS ONE THEN AT LEAST 20% IF THEY GO ALL THE WAY TO LIKE 60% CLASS ONE MATERIALS, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE 20% CLASS TWO. SO THERE'S AGAIN A LITTLE NUDGE. IT'S LIKE IF YOU USE A HIGHER QUALITY MATERIAL AND SKIP THE CLASS TWO MATERIALS, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT 70% OF CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO, YOU CAN JUST HAVE 60% OF CLASS ONE AND THEN 30% CLASS THREE MATERIALS, THEN UP TO 10% OF CLASS FOUR MATERIALS. AND SO WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE ON THOSE PERCENTAGES IS THAT IT'S REALLY FOCUSING A LOT OF THE THAT ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY ON THE PRIMARY FACADE. THEN YOU GO TO THE SECONDARY FACADE. SECONDARY FACADE IS SOMETHING THAT STILL FACES THE PUBLIC REALM OR FACES A STREET, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON THAT. IT GOES FROM 50% ON CLASS ONE MATERIALS TO 30%, AND THEN THE CLASS TWO MATERIALS. YOU'RE ALLOWED MORE OF THOSE. YOU CAN GO FROM 20 UP AT LEAST 20% TO AT LEAST 30%. SO IT'S BASICALLY 60% CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO, UNLESS YOU DO AT LEAST 50% CLASS ONE. AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY CLASS TWO, RIGHT. SO IT'S GOT THAT SIMILAR INCENTIVE. AND THEN THE 30% CLASS THREE AND 10% CLASS ONE. AND THEN A REAR FACADE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY AN AREA THAT CAN'T REALLY BE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCESS. PEOPLE OF THE PUBLIC'S NOT GOING TO BE SEEING IT.YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING THERE. AND THAT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, 20% CLASS ONE OR CLASS TWO. SO YOU WOULD IMAGINE THAT BEING SOMETHING LIKE A BRICK WAINSCOT ALONG THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN IT JUST OUR PANEL ESSENTIALLY IS 80% ON THE REMAINDER. SO YOU HAVE SOME.
THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA IN MIND BEHIND THAT. SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, THE MAIN THING ABOUT THIS, THERE'S ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT HERE ON MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, WHETHER IT'S GROUND MOUNTED OR ROOF MOUNTED, BASICALLY IS SCREENED IN A MANNER THAT MAKES IT WHERE YOU DON'T YOU DON'T SEE IT. SO THAT CAN EITHER BE LIKE SOME TYPE OF PARAPET WALL OR SOME TYPE OF SCREENING MATERIAL THAT GOES UP. YOU CAN USE FENCING, YOU CAN USE LANDSCAPING, BUT ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU GOT BUILDINGS, WHERE YOU GOT LIKE A BIG CHILLER ON TOP, OR YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING LIKE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF MATERIAL. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY. REALLY HAVE TO MEET THE SAME, THE SAME MATERIAL EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU CAN USE THINGS LIKE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PANELING SYSTEMS THAT CAN HIDE THAT AS WELL. SO. ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT. SO OVERALL, THE OVERALL THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS IT DOES INCREASE SOME REQUIREMENTS. BUT THEN WE ARE RELAXING SOME REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT JUST SOME. WE'RE GOING OUT TO BUSINESSES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND SAYING HEY HAHA. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE EXPENSIVE REQUIREMENTS WITH THIS. IT IS PROVIDING THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY. BUT THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE A NONSTANDARD BUILDING IS WARRANTED, WHERE IT IS A PROCESS, IT'S COMING TO YOU EXPLAINING WHY, WHY IT MAKES SENSE AND KIND OF GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO. OKAY, YOU'RE QUITE POSSIBLY COULD SPEED UP
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NEW CONSTRUCTION. YES. IN THE CHANGE IN THE PROCESS. YEAH. YEAH. WITH THE CHANGE IN THE PROCESS. BECAUSE IF AN APPLICANT COMES IN AND THEY, THEY PRESENT STAFF WITH A PLAN THAT MEETS THE STANDARD DESIGN CRITERIA, THEN THE STAFF CAN APPROVE IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO. THAT'S RIGHT. COUNCIL. IT COULD BE THEY COULD EXPEDITE THEIR THEIR PROCESS COULD TAKE TWO MONTHS ISH OUT OF THE PROCESS POTENTIALLY. I MEAN THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES, YOU KNOW, RECENT DEVELOPMENTS, ONES THAT HAVE GONE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE BASICALLY A NON STANDARD. LIKE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED. OKAY. YEAH. TAKE SOME BURDEN OFF THE CITY COUNCIL TOO. YEAH. YEAH. SO TO DO THIS IT'LL TAKE A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH. ARE Y'ALL READY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE ADVERTISED FOR NEXT MONTH SO WE CAN. WELL, SO BEFORE WE DO THAT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE GLASS REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE THING THAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME WHENEVER I WAS READING THROUGH THIS. AND SO THE REASON FOR THE GLASS REQUIREMENT IS STRICTLY FOR LIKE JUST ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. AND IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, ESSENTIALLY IT'S PRINCIPALLY MEANT TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE A COMMERCIAL, LIKE A STANDARD COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR A STRIP CENTER OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, JUST A SIMPLE BUILDING THAT HAS NO TRANSPARENCY INTO IT, THAT IT HAS SOMETHING THAT RESEMBLES A STOREFRONT. BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU, THE EXAMPLE THAT CAME TO MIND WHENEVER I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT WAS THE U-BOX STORAGE FACILITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE GLASS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS RIGHT THERE IN THAT BUILDING. AND SO I WAS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT, AND I WAS LIKE, IF THAT WASN'T THERE, WOULD THAT REALLY DETRACT FROM THE OVERALL LOOK OF THE BUILDING? AND SO THE ISSUE THAT THAT I HAVE WITH THAT SPECIFIC PIECE IS THAT TO ME, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE IT'S GOING A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR IN REGULATION.
BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT. NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW THAT UNLESS ANYONE CAN THINK OF ANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF SOMEONE THAT IF THEY'RE BUILDING A BUILDING THAT MAY NOT PUT WINDOWS IN A PRIMARY FACADE, BECAUSE I KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE IN A BUILDING AND I'M GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING IT AND WORKING IN IT EVERY DAY, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ANYWAY. SO THAT THAT WAS THE YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONLY THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I REALLY HAD. BUT IN YOUR EXAMPLE, AND JUST LIKE MR. HOSKINS OF HOME DEPOT, THERE IS A PROCESS THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO MEET THE 15% RULE COME, THEY CAN COME TO THE COMMISSION AND ASK FOR A LOWER PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW. SO. RIGHT. THAT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DO WE THINK THAT THAT IS ENOUGH TO PLACE THAT REQUIREMENT TO THEN REQUIRE SOMEONE TO GO THROUGH THAT EXTRA STEP AND THAT EXTRA PROCESS JUST TO PUT WINDOWS IN. SO YOU YOU WANT TO CONSIDER LOWERING THE 15 DOWN TO TEN, 12 SOMETHING OR SOMETHING. IS THAT WHAT IS THAT A POTENTIAL COMMENT. YEAH. WELL I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD NECESSARILY LIKE TO ME, I DON'T KNOW THAT A GLASS REQUIREMENT IS REALLY NEEDED. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE COULD SAY IF THE BUILDING IS OVER, HAS A WIDTH OF IN EXCESS OF YAY LONG THAT THIS REQUIREMENT DOESN'T APPLY, AND THAT THAT COULD PROBABLY DEAL WITH A MAJORITY OF THOSE SITUATIONS. THE THING THE THING THAT I, I DO FEAR IS THAT YOU YOU CAN GET SOMETHING THAT IS INTENDED TO BE A RETAIL BUILDING THAT THAT GETS SET UP AND IT IF IT HAS IF IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTED IN A WAY THAT CAN BE EASILY READAPTED, THEN YOU CAN ALSO EASILY BE LEFT WITH A BUILDING THAT NOBODY WANTS TO REUSE. OKAY, THAT'S PART OF PART OF THE THING IS, WHEN YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, THEN IT ALSO MEANS THAT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ARE LESS LIKELY TO JUST BE SINGLE USE THROWAWAY BUILDINGS THAT THEN PEOPLE DON'T DON'T END UP READAPTING WHEN THE WHEN THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS LEAVES. AND THAT WAY THEY DON'T SIT VACANT FOR. YEAH, I CAN GO TO SO MANY RURAL COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE WHERE SOMEBODY PUT UP JUST A STANDARD POLE BARN SKINNED WITH OUR PANEL THAT HAS WAS WAS A POORLY CAPITALIZED BUILDING BUSINESS THAT WAS THERE FOR SIX MONTHS, WENT OUT. AND THE STRUCTURE HAS NEVER BEEN UTILIZED SINCE. I'VE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER, AND I'D
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LIKE TO ADD THAT, THAT WHEN YOU DO ALL THESE CONTEMPORARY OR THE STANDARDIZATIONS, IT INCREASES THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING TOO. SO IF THEY WANT TO SELL THE AFTER BUILDING IT AND THEY WANT TO SELL IT ON TRIPLE NET LEASE, OR I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE, IT ADDS VALUE TO IT AND IT DOES NOT DECREASE THE VALUE. OKAY. UNLESS WHAT YOU SAID IN THE RULER AREA WHERE JUST A SIMPLE THEN IT'S NOT ADDING VALUE TO THE BUILDING, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO TRY TO SELL IT.YEAH, THAT'S VERY TRUE. OKAY, GOOD. GOOD COMMENT. SO JUST SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO KNOW HAVE THE PUBLIC KNOW. WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST WANT THE OPINION OF THE COMMISSION THAT WE ARE. IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH THAT WE'RE READY TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO. THAT HAS TO BE ADVERTISED. THAT EVERYBODY AGREE WITH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ADVERTISE IT FOR PUBLIC HEARING OKAY. ANY AFTER THAT DO WE GET IS THAT WHEN WE VOTE ON IT TO APPROVE IT THAT THAT WOULD. YEAH. ONCE WE HAVE A PUBLIC SHALL ADVERTISE IT WE'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. WE CAN TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, MAKE OUR MAKE OUR MOTION AND VOTE AND HOPEFULLY SEND IT ON TO CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS THE END OF THE AGENDA. ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. I EVANS,
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.