[1. Call to Order] [00:00:05] 6:00. I WILL CALL THE SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING OF THE SHERWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. CLIFF MARTIN HERE. WILLIAMS HERE. HERE, HERE. HOSKIN. HERE. EVANS. [3. Approval of August 12th, 2025, Meeting Minutes ] PATEL HERE. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 12TH MEETING. YOU HAVE A HAD A COPY IN YOUR PACKET. ANY COMMENTS? CORRECTIONS. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED. IS THERE TYPED UP. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THERE IS. I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO GO. THERE IS AN ERROR ON YOURS. IT SAYS AGENDA AT THE TOP. IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY MINUTES. OKAY, I'LL CATCH THAT. I CAUGHT THAT WHEN I PRINTED THEM OUT. CORRECTION. WITH THAT, YOU AGREE? MR. MR. PATEL, A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. YES. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. MARTIN. I WILLIAMS I. DOZIER, I. HOSKIN. PATEL. HI. ALL RIGHT. APPROVAL [4. Approval of the Agenda] OF THE AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS? CORRECTIONS? MODIFICATIONS? NOT THIS EVENING. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE THE AGENDA AS IT STANDS. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE REZONE REQUEST FOR LOT [5. Rezone request for Lot 5 & 6 Heslep Commercial Subdivision from R-1 to I-1. Greg Heslep, Owner. (Part 1 of 2)] FIVE AND SIX. HESLOP COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION FROM R1 TO I1. OKAY, SO THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS AN APPLICATION TO REZONE TWO PLATTED LOTS IN HESLOP COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION. IT'S ROUGHLY 4.34 ACRES PER THE PLAT, AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE END OF COMMERCE COVE CUL DE SAC. AND THAT'S IN NORTH SHERWOOD AREA. SO WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE BOTH LOT FIVE AND SIX, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. SO THAT'S I ONE TO SUPPORT A POTENTIAL DESIRED USE. SO WITH THAT WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU WOULD HAVE NOTED ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS SHERWOOD VISION 20 COMPATIBILITY. THE SHERWOOD VISION 2040 PLAN IS THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT DENOTES THAT LOCATION AS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONSERVATION. WITH THAT, IT TYPICALLY COMES AS AREAS THAT ARE PRONE TO FLOODING, WHICH THIS IS ALMOST COMPLETELY WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN ZONE, AS WELL AS KELLOGG CREEK TO THE REAR PORTION. THE WESTERNMOST PORTION OF THOSE LOTS. SO WHENEVER STAFF REVIEWS APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS, WE EVALUATE THE REZONING REQUEST WITH THE COMPATIBILITY AGAIN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN A HOLISTIC REVIEW OF ANY POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT REZONING COULD DO ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND USES. AND IN THIS CASE, MOST OF THE ADJACENT ZONING IS ZONED R1 OR FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES. SO IN A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT, STAFF DID RECOMMEND THE APPLICATION BE TABLED THIS EVENING TO FIRST ALLOW A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE LAND USE PLAN, AND THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF TO PUSH IT ALL UNTIL THE OCTOBER 14TH MEETING. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK AS WELL. JUST SO THE COMMISSION KNOWS, WE WE TYPICALLY TAKE THEM UP CONCURRENTLY IN THE SAME MEETING. THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. SO WE CAN HEAR THIS. IF Y'ALL WANT TO HEAR THIS TONIGHT AND AMEND THE LAND USE PLAN AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSION. SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS WITH THE LAND USE PLAN AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE. BUT I MEAN WE CAN THAT'S BEEN TYPICALLY THE PROCEDURE OF THE COMMISSION OVER, OVER MY TENURE. BUT AND I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT THIS IS WE'RE GOING FROM R1 TO I1. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE I1 BACK THERE IN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I DON'T THINK FIT WITHIN THE LAND USE PLAN. I MAYBE THEY DO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A HEARING ON. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT CONCURRENTLY WITH THE LAND USE. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH I DO NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. SINCE THIS IS A THIS IS A REZONING. THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE ITEM, THEY CAN DO SO NOW I WILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, MR. HESLOP. YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK NOW, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY. ANYBODY ELSE. I WE HAVE TWO LETTERS THAT SHE'LL HAVE TO READ INTO THE RECORD IN JUST A SECOND. YEAH, I'M GREG HESLOP, I'M THE OWNER OF THESE LOTS, A DEVELOPER. I DEVELOPED THEM SEVERAL YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE. THESE LOTS WHEN IT WAS ANNEXED, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DEVELOPED AND PLATTED AS [00:05:04] LOTS 7 OR 8 YEARS BEFORE THE ANNEXATION. AND THEY WERE PLATTED AS COMMERCIAL LOTS AND INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL LOTS AND NAMED THE STREETS COMMERCE COVE, NAME OF THE SUBDIVISIONS ARE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION. HOW THEY WERE EVER YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED GOING FROM R1 TO I1 AND, YOU KNOW, THEY NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN R1 AND IT WAS NEVER AN INTENTION. AND AND I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. BUT THE ADMINISTRATION AT THE TIME INDICATED TO ME THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WE BACKED THE ANNEXATION. THEY'D GIVE US WHATEVER ZONING WE DESIRED AS MAYOR HARMON, WHO'S NO LONGER WITH US. SO I CAN'T HAVE HIM HERE AND, YOU KNOW, MET IN HIM PERSON. I WAS VERY INVOLVED IN BOTH ANNEXATIONS. THE INITIAL ONE. I'M THE ONE THAT PRETTY MUCH INITIATED IT WITH MAYOR HARMON. AND AND HE GOT OTHERS INVOLVED, AND WE DID A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. AND AND THEN JACKSONVILLE SUED US ALL. AND MR. COBB WAS INVOLVED IN AND AND THEN THE, THE THE PUBLIC VOTE ANNEXATION COME ABOUT. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY ASKED ME TO BE INVOLVED, SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, GET SUPPORT. AND GETTING IT VOTED TO SHERWOOD INSTEAD OF JACKSONVILLE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REASON TO TABLE THIS. I YOU KNOW, I WASN'T THE ONE THAT DIDN'T ASK FOR THE THE LAND USE TO CHANGE. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. NO INPUT AS A AS A DEVELOPER AND AND LANDOWNER. COMMERCIAL LAND AND RESIDENTIAL LAND IN SHERWOOD AND HAD NO INPUT WHATSOEVER. AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE TOLD ME THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INPUT EITHER. YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, SHE'S INDICATING, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. AND THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S MOST OF IT'S ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN. SHE'S LOOKING AT A MAP. I'M IN THE I'VE ENGAGED BOND ENGINEERING TO DO A TOPO. AND THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT DONE BY TONIGHT. BUT THEY WILL AND IT'S YOU KNOW, AND I'VE ALREADY MET IN PERSON WITH THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGER FOR SHERWOOD, TRACY SIMS, I GUESS BEFORE HE WENT OFF ON HIS WHATEVER HE'S DOING OR I'D HAVE HIM HERE, HE INDICATED TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NO PROBLEM TO GET A PERMIT TO. CLEAR AND FILL THIS BECAUSE IT'S A MINIMAL AMOUNT TO GET IT TO, YOU KNOW, THEY CHANGE THE FLOODPLAIN AT SOME POINT AFTER I DEVELOPED IT AND RAISED IT, AND HE SAID IT'D BE NO PROBLEM TO DO IT, WE JUST HAD TO RAISE IT A FOOT ABOVE FLOODPLAIN, AND THE END OF THAT CUL DE SAC IS FOUR FOOT ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN, AND THAT CONTINUES WAY OUT INTO THEM LOTS. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL SHE'S LOOKING AT IS A IS A FEMA MAP THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTOURS OR JUST HAS GOT A SHADED AREA. AND THEN IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND TAKE THE ACTUAL ELEVATIONS, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF THAT TREMENDOUSLY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE INTEND ON REPLANTING IT AS ONE LOT. BUT THEY SAID WE COULDN'T DO THAT AT THIS MEETING OR I'D ALREADY HAD THAT ON HERE ALSO. AND THE PLAN IS TO HAVE IT ALL OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. I'VE GOT LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION OR APPROVAL FROM ALL THE ADJOINING LANDOWNERS EXCEPT THE ONE TO THE WEST, WHICH IS UNDERWATER. THE, THE, THE LAND THAT STAYS UNDERWATER. RIGHT. AND EVERYBODY I HAVE NO OPPOSITION. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY HERE TO OPPOSE IT. AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE COULDN'T GET THIS PART OF IT DONE. AND WHAT THE BEEF IS, YOU KNOW, YOU GO DOWN MAUMELLE BOULEVARD AND THERE'S A MIXTURE OF. EVERY KIND OF BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, WAREHOUSING, RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS WITH NO PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, THE SIMILAR BUSINESSES INTERESTED IN THIS LAND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL FOR 15 YEARS, SIMILAR TO THE HP INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S RIGHT DOWN HERE ON KEAL AVENUE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE ACROSS FROM COME AND GO, SIMILAR TYPE BUSINESS AND BACK THERE. IT'S NOT GOING TO INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING OR ANYBODY. NONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, ALL, YOU KNOW FROM THE HIGHWAY, ALL YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO SEE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS. AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN WAS TO HAVE SOME NICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FRONTAGE AND IT'LL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING TO BE A DETRIMENT AND NOTHING. NO KIND OF 24 HOUR, YOU KNOW, NOT LIKE A FACTORY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST A CONTRACTOR. THEY MAY DO SOME LIGHT FABRICATING, MOSTLY INSIDE, POSSIBLY WELDING SOME PIPE OUTSIDE TO WHAT IT'S BEEN [00:10:02] INDICATED TO ME, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT AND STUFF OUTSIDE. SO IT'S MY DESIRE TO TRY TO GET THIS DONE TONIGHT SO I CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO SELL IT. WE, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE STARTED THIS, I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS ON DARWIN, THE MAP THAT USED TO BE OVER HERE AT CITY HALL, IN THE PLANNING OFFICE AND PERMIT OFFICE HUNG THERE FOR YEARS. AND MICHAEL CLAYTON, DIFFERENT ONES WERE THERE AND INDICATED MY LAND WAS SEE, EVERYTHING WAS SEE THROUGH AND WITH THE. BUT YOU'RE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE IT TO C-3 TONIGHT. YOU'RE ASKING TO CHANGE IT. YOU'RE ASKING TO CHANGE IT TO I-1. YOU'RE RIGHT. AND I YOU KNOW. AND THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S A DESIRE AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE THAT'S THAT'S AFFECTING. I OWN THE LAND TO THE EAST AND, AND, AND I HAVE APPROVAL FROM ALL THE PEOPLE THAT'S TOUCHING MY PROPERTY THAT APPROVES OF IT. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT THERE ARE USES IN I ONE THAT WILL AFFECT MORE THAN JUST YOUR NEIGHBORS. FOR EXAMPLE, A TRUCKING TERMINAL CAN BE PUT INTO AN I ONE DESIGNATION, A TRUCKING TERMINAL EFFECTS WAY MORE THAN JUST THE NEIGHBORS. IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY UP AND DOWN 107 OR HOWEVER THOSE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO GET TO THAT FACILITY. WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE Y'ALL SEEM TO TURN DOWN EVERYTHING THAT'S PRESENTED. Y'ALL, FROM WHAT I HEAR, TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT OWN THE LAND UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. WELL, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE GOT TO GET FERRETED OUT, IS WHY IS WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT IN THERE AN I1 AND NOT A C3 OR C4? WELL, THE BUILDING NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY OR KIND OF FORWARD FROM IT, WHICH WAS BROWN SHEET METAL FOR YEARS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN I ONE THEY WERE FABRICATING AND BUILDING AND FABRICATING IN THERE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. AND IT WAS ON, SAY, THREE. AND Y'ALL ALLOWED THAT AND I DON'T KNOW. AND HE DON'T KNOW. HE SAID HE NEVER ASKED FOR IT TO BE REZONED. SURE WOULD JUST DID IT. AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER PLACES OUT THERE THAT BUILD AND DO THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE AN I ONE DESIGNATION. AND IF THIS WAS SURROUNDED BY SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE OFFENDED BY THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR IT. BUT THERE'S NOBODY TO OFFEND WITH. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY POSITION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN TELL ME THAT WE CAN DO A C4 AND IT'LL ACCOMMODATE WHAT THEY DO, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY GO FOR THAT. BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE LOOK AT IT IS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S I1 WOULD COVER EVERYTHING THEY WANT TO DO. AND AND IT WOULD WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'LL AFFECT ANYBODY OUT THERE OR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T GIVE ME A LETTER SAYING THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. RIGHT. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT YOUR OTHER TWO LOTS THAT'S OUT THERE, SIR? THE OTHER TWO LOTS. THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO REZONE THEM. COMING SOON TO THIS ONE HERE. BUT I, I WAS ON QUICK NOTICE TO TRY TO GET THIS IN. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MY OTHER TWO LOT. YEAH. THEY'RE FIXING TO BE REZONED ALSO. THEY'RE VACANT AT THE MOMENT. THEY'RE IN. THEY'RE BOTH VACANT. AND WHAT ABOUT THE I KNOW THAT'S THE WHOLE CUL DE SAC IS YOURS. RIGHT BESIDE THE O'REILLY. THE WHOLE THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IS MINE, EXCEPT O'ROURKE'S. O'REILLY'S. SO IS THIS LETTER FROM O'REILLY'S OR THE. THE LIST MISS COREY GAVE ME AND O'REILLY'S WAS NOT ON. SO I NOTIFIED. THE LETTERS ARE JUST FROM MR. HASSELL. HAD LETTERS FROM SOME OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS. EVERYBODY WITHIN 300FT IS NOTIFIED, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SEND A LETTER TO ME IN SUPPORT. THEY CAN IF THEY WANT TO. OKAY. BUT EVERYBODY WITHIN 300FT OF BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES WAS SENT A LETTER IN THE APPLICATION. AND WE HAVE THE RECEIPTS FROM THOSE. OKAY. ON THE OTHER REZONING OF THE OTHER LOTS, ARE WE ARE YOU GOING TO BE ASKING FOR THOSE TO BE REZONED? I1I DON'T KNOW YET. OKAY. DEPENDS ON WHO WHO LOOKS TO BUY THEM OKAY. OKAY. DICTATES THAT I PROBABLY WILL SO THAT I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECT. YOU'VE GOT A POTENTIAL BUYER THAT IS WILLING TO LOCATE A BUSINESS ON THESE. THAT ANOTHER TIME AND WE WON'T. AND THEN THAT'S A AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A BUSINESS THAT WOULD FIT BY. RIGHT. AND I ONE AND AND PROBABLY CONDITIONALLY IN C4 I'M GUESSING IS THE REASON SO THAT IT'S BY RIGHT. YEAH. SO OKAY YOU NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF WE'RE THROUGH [00:15:03] WITH THAT. AND THEN YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST. YEAH. JUST ME. YEP. WE GOT TWO LETTERS. WE GOT TWO LETTERS TO READ BEFORE I CLOSE IT. OKAY. THERE'S THREE. THREE. SORRY. YOU'RE FINE. I'M SORRY. THREE. ONE. ONE'S PRETTY SHORT. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST ONE IS FROM FLOYD BROWN ON WOODBURY LANE, WHICH IS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY. AS TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, I'M WRITING REGARDING THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON PROPERTY OWNED BY MR. GREG HESLOP AT 14 605 R 107 SAYS JACKSONVILLE IN SHERWOOD. I HAVE REVIEWED THE PLANS AND WISH TO FORMALLY STATE THAT I HAVE NO CONCERNS OR OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPERTY BEING REZONED AND DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL USE. I'VE, FLOYD BROWN, FULLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST AND HAVE NO RESERVATIONS REGARDING THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS FROM MARK PHILLIPS AT GRAVEL RIDGE SEWER DISTRICT. THIS LETTER IS TO ADDRESS YOUR REQUEST FOR GRAVEL ROADS SEWER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 213, TO AGREE TO THE ZONING FROM R1 TO I-1 AND TO SERVE YOUR PROPERTY LOCATED AT LOT FIVE AND SIX HAS COMMERCIAL DIVISION. YOU STATED THAT YOU WERE PUTTING TWO OFFICE BUILDINGS IN A LAY DOWN YARD ONLY AT THIS LOCATION. THESE BUILDINGS WILL NOT HAVE ANY MANUFACTURING CONDUCTED ON THE PREMISES. THEREFORE, NO MANUFACTURED WASTEWATER WILL ENTER OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM. GRAVEL RIDGE SEWER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 213 REQUIRES A PLOT PLAN DUE TO UTILITY EASEMENTS. SEWER EASEMENT IS LEGAL IS A LEGAL AGREEMENT THAT GIVES GRAVEL RIDGE SEWER DISTRICT THE RIGHT TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY FOR INSPECTION, MAINTENANCE, REPAIR, AND REPLACEMENT OF PUBLIC SEWER PIPES. THERE'S A $500 CHARGE FOR THAT AT THIS TIME. GRAVEL RIDGE SEWER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT 213 AGREES TO THE ZONING AMENDMENT AND TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION AS LONG AS NO FOREIGN OR MANUFACTURED SUBSTANCES WILL ENTER OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM. AND THEN THE THIRD IS FROM KENNY MECKFESSEL, WHO OWNS ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, SAYS, I'M WRITING TO INFORM YOU THAT I CUTTING VESSEL AND THE RIDGE CHURCH ON JACKSONVILLE KETO FULLY SUPPORT GREG HASLIP IN HIS EFFORT TO REZONE HIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO I ONE. ALL RIGHT, WITH NO OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS MOMENT. WELL, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. AND THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN. SECOND, IT HAS NOT BEEN SECONDED TO TABLE IT TILL NEXT MONTH. DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SECOND IT? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE IT. UNTIL NEXT MONTH. CALL THE ROLL MARTIN I WILLIAMS I DOZIER I AUSTIN [6. Replat of Lots 1-4, Hall Addition. Nick Tucker, Applicant.] PATEL. HI. ALL. ITEM NUMBER SIX PLEASE REPLY OF LOTS ONE THROUGH FOUR HALL EDITION. ALL RIGHT LET'S SEE. LET'S GET IT PULLED UP OKAY. THIS NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REPLAT OF TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS OR ONE RESIDENTIAL LOT INTO FOUR INDIVIDUAL LOTS. WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT HAS MET ALL OF STAFF REQUIREMENTS. THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ITEMS WOULD BE THAT OF ADDING THE DIMENSION FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THEN ALSO I CAUGHT TODAY, THE SOURCE OF WASTEWATER IS NOTED AS SHERWOOD AND THAT SHOULD BE NORTH LITTLE ROCK. SO OTHER THAN THAT IT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING CODE AS WELL AS THE SUBDIVISION RULES AND REGS, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. COMMISSIONERS. ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF DIMENSION. SECOND, CORRECTING THE WASTE. NORTH LITTLE ROCK CITY SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MARTIN I WILLIAMS DOZIER I HOSKIN I PATEL. HI. IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS ANY NEW BUSINESS ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN SECOND. OKAY. MARTIN WILLIAMS A DOZIER I AUSTIN PATEL. HI. I NOW CALL TO ORDER THE SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING OF THE SHERWOOD BOARD OF ZONING ADJUSTMENT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. HOSKIN HERE. PATEL HERE, CLIFF EVANS. MARTIN HERE. WILLIAMS HERE. DOZIER HERE. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MAY 13TH. THANK YOU. MAY 13TH MEETING MINUTES. WE DO HAVE ENOUGH HERE TO ADDRESS THIS [00:20:08] ITEM. SO ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS CORRECTIONS TO THAT. THOSE MEETINGS I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THEM AS PREPARED. SECOND OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE MAY MINUTES PLEASE. HOSKIN. YES. PATEL. YEAH. MARTIN. YES. WILLIAMS A DOZIER. ABSTAIN. OKAY. THAT'S A THAT PASSES VARIANCE AT 5430 LANDERS ROAD FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A VARIANCE REQUEST TO ALLOW A 6600 OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY AREA ENCLOSURE WITHIN A DEFINED FRONT YARD. SECTION. 1405 06I STATES THAT A VARIANCE AND THIS IS IN THE C3 REQUIREMENTS. LET ME START THERE. STATES THAT VARIANCE MAY BE GRANTED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. IN CASES WHERE OUTDOOR STORAGE IS TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT OR SIDE YARDS. HENCE THE APPLICATION THIS EVENING. WITH THAT, AFTER COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION. SHELBY. OH, WE GOT IT. I FORGOT TILL JUST NOW. I HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN BEFORE YOU SPEAK AT THIS ONE. THAT'S IMPORTANT. I'M TOO USED TO PLANNING COMMISSION. SO DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH WHILE DURING YOUR TESTIMONY? I DO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. CONTINUE. I DO ALL OVER AGAIN. INTERESTING. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START OVER OR JUST PICK UP WHERE? KEEP GOING. OKAY. SORRY. SO, NO. YOU'RE FINE. SO AFTER COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO ALLOWING OUTDOOR STORAGE OR DISPLAY WITHIN THE SITE. ALTHOUGH IT'S PREFERRED. THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE SITE IS WHERE THE STORAGE AREA WERE TO BE DEVELOPED, AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH SIMILAR OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION AS IT SITS, AND MITIGATES ANY ADDITIONAL CONCERNS FOR THE FUNCTIONAL LAYOUT UPON SITE DEVELOPMENT AND REUSE OF THE PROPERTY. AND I DO KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING AGAINST THIS ITEM AS WELL. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME BEFORE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS FROM OKAY OKAY. BEFORE BEFORE YOU START AND I HAVE TO INTERRUPT. YEAH. YOU DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH DURING YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? I DO, THANK YOU. THOMAS POWNALL WITH THOMAS ENGINEERING REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU FOR THAT REVIEW. AS FAR AS WHY WE WANT TO PUT IT ON THE FRONT RATHER THAN ON THE SIDE, IF YOU COULD REFERENCE THE STAFF WRITE UP, MAYBE, AND IT'LL KIND OF SHOW HOW THIS TENANT IS GOING TO OPERATE. THE TENANT IS CALLED LOCK SUPPLY COMPANY. AND I'M GOING TO POINT TO SOMETHING HERE. THIS IS A PICTURE THAT WAS PREPARED IN THE BOTTOM ONE RIGHT HERE. YOU SEE HOW THEY HAVE THREE ENTRANCES. THEY HAVE SEPARATE ENTRANCES FOR HVAC, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL. SO THE BUILDING YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THE SAPULPA, OKLAHOMA PHOTO. YES. IT'S THE LAST ONE THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. THERE YOU GO. YEP. OKAY. SO THAT SHOWS HOW THEIR ENTRANCES WORK. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT TAKES QUITE A BIT OF FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING. AND IN AND IN THIS BUILDING THIS TENANT LOCKS FLIES ONLY GOING TO OCCUPY HALF. SO 35,000FT■S O, OF 70. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS THEY ARE GOING TO PUT THOSE ENTRANCES ON THE EAST SIDE. SO WAS IT UP OR DOWN SHELBY. OH OKAY. OKAY. SO IF YOU CAN SEE MY LITTLE POINTER THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THEIR THREE ENTRANCES AROUND HERE. THEY NEED THAT MUCH. THEY NEED LIKE 200FT FOR THOSE THREE ENTRANCES TO WORK. HOW THEY LAY THEIR BUILDING OUT, HOW PEOPLE ENTER, HOW THEY BUY THINGS, HOW THEY PURCHASE THINGS, HOW THEY EXIT. AND SO THE THINKING IS, IS THAT'S THEIR FRONT DOOR ATYPICAL, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY OPERATE. AND BY PUTTING IT OUT FRONT, WHAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO DO IS KEEP THE PEDESTRIANS, PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT, AWAY FROM THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, ANY KIND OF FORKLIFTS THAT MAY BE OPERATING, THINGS LIKE THAT. MOVING PARTS. IF YOU EVER BEEN TO LIKE HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BY THEIR THEIR GARDEN CENTER, YOU GOTTA YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU'RE DRIVING RIGHT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, COMING IN AND OUT WITH THOSE BIG, BIG TYPE EQUIPMENT. WELL, THIS WILL KIND OF HELP PREVENT THAT. AND SO THAT'S OUR THINKING AND THAT'S WHY THAT IS OUR PREFERRED LOCATION. AND I CAN ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OH ANOTHER THING. WHAT'S GOING TO BE STORED THERE. OUTDOOR. IT'S GOING TO BE PIPING PLUMBING ELECTRICAL HVAC PIPING. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE STORED. YEAH. WHEN THIS ONE I FIRST SAW THIS ONE IN THE PACKET I WAS CONCERNED IT WAS LIKE, THIS IS [00:25:05] THE VISIBLE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS UP AND BLOCK THE VIEW. BUT I GUESS THIS IS NOT A DRIVE BY VISIBILITY TYPE BUSINESS. I MEAN, SOMEBODY THE CUSTOMER THAT'S GOING HERE IS KNOWS KNOWS THAT'S WHERE IT IS AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING. IS THAT THE THINKING? YEAH. THE THINKING IS, IS BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE REPEAT CUSTOMERS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THEY'RE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE PEDESTRIANS AWAY FROM THESE LARGER MOVING PARTS. AND AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KIND OF ZOOM OUT HERE, LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THAT. WE ARE WELL OFF THE ROAD. YOU ARE CORRECT. YEAH, YEAH. COMMISSIONERS. THOUGHTS? QUESTIONS MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. HOSKIN PATEL. HI, MARTIN I KNOW SORRY WILLIAMS I DOZIER I. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. 9215 HIGHWAY 107 FOR MONUMENT SIGN HEIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FOR THE NEW ALDI'S LOCATION AT 9215 HIGHWAY 107. THEY ARE NEARING COMPLETION AND THEY HAVE PUT IN AN APPLICATION FOR A MONUMENT SIGN THAT IS 19FT SEVEN INCHES IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS 11FT SEVEN INCHES TALLER THAN WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED HEIGHT FOR A MONUMENT SIGN IN COMMERCIAL ZONING. SO THAT'S THE SIMPLIFIED REQUEST IN THIS REGARD. THIS WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA RELATIVELY LATE, AND WITHIN THE PACKET YOU WOULD HAVE NOTED THE LETTER THAT DETAILS THE HARDSHIP CLAIM BY THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING, BUT WITH THAT, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TABLING TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS CAPTURED IN THAT FINAL STAFF REPORT AS IT PERTAINS TO THE FINISHED GRADE ELEVATIONS. AFTER THE LOT WAS CUT FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES, AND THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE SIGN IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THAT 15 FOOT PRESCRIBED UTILITY EASEMENT, AS WELL AS TO MITIGATE ANY SITE DISTANCE ISSUE. ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? DID YOU SAY IT WAS 11FT HIGHER OR TALLER THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED BY THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IS, WELL, 19 19FT SIX INCHES. OKAY. TOTAL HEIGHT. TOTAL HEIGHT? YES. FEET SIX GREATER THAN. YES. BUT DID THEY CUT THAT DOWN WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING IT. DID THEY CUT THAT DIRT DOWN. THEY DID COME IN AND THEY THEY GRADED THE LOT SUBSTANTIALLY. YES. SO IT WOULD BE LOWER THAN ANY DRAWINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON FILE. OKAY. OKAY. WE NEED TO TABLE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE NEED THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO ALLOW US TO MAKE AN INFORMED RECOMMENDATION BASED ON OKAY, THE ELEVATION OF THE LOT AS IT SITS, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE IT TO TO THE NEXT MEETING. THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF. BUT LIKE I SAID, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM. WOULD YOU LIKE WE TABLED IT TO THE NEXT MEETING TILL WE GET THE REST OF THE INFORMATION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. HOSKIN PATEL. HI, MARTIN WILLIAMS. DOZIER I. ON WHICH ITEM? 12. SIX HOURS. YOU SAID. YEAH. GO SIX HOURS HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT I STILL LIVE. HERE, CHAIRMAN CONTROLS THE AGENDA. YOU'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND AND A VOTE AT THIS POINT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE OLD BUSINESS WAS THE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 8TH MEETING MINUTES. WE DO NOT HAVE. ENOUGH MEMBERS PRESENT THAT WERE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING TO VOTE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THAT OVER TILL THE NEXT MEETING. IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS? CAN WE REOPEN NEW BUSINESS TO ALLOW WE CAN GO BACK AND RE I MEAN, DO YOU WANT DO YOU WANT THE ALDI IF YOU IF YOU WANT IT WAS YOUR MOTION AND YOUR SECOND AT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. THE REST OF THE BOARD AGREES TO EXPUNGE IT AND LET THEM SPEAK. [00:30:01] AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE AGAIN. I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE OPEN UP FOR THESE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, SO THEY INFORMATION WHILE THEY'RE HERE. OKAY. IN REGARDS TO THIS, SIGN [5. Rezone request for Lot 5 & 6 Heslep Commercial Subdivision from R-1 to I-1. Greg Heslep, Owner. (Part 2 of 2)] ANY AGREEMENT OKAY. EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY AGREES. OKAY. WE'LL REVISIT ITEM NUMBER FIVE FOR THE MOMENT. OKAY, SIR, PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR TAKING A MOMENT FOR US. FIRST UP, FIRST OFF, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, I'M GEORGE GRINDSTAFF, NEW DOUGLAS, ILLINOIS, 504 WEST DOUGLAS STREET AND NEW DOUGLAS, ILLINOIS. OKAY. AND WHILE YOU'RE HERE, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE SITUATION IS AT THE ALDI LOCATION. WHERE THIS SIGN IS GOING IS ALMOST EVEN WITH 107. AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD TO SHOW A GRADE DIFFERENCE. AND THE THING OF IT IS, ON THIS PYLON SIGN, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE IT GRADE HEIGHT OF 107 TO GO UP TO THE HEIGHT THEY WANT. I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THEM HAVING A PROBLEM WITH ALL WITH THAT. SO WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS TWO FOOT ABOVE OR TWO FOOT BELOW, WHATEVER 107 IS, FROM THERE UP, THEY'LL PUT THEIR ELEVATION SO THAT WE DON'T CAUSE ANY INCONVENIENCE WHATSOEVER ON THAT ISSUE. THE OTHER THING IS, ALDI NORMALLY HAS A 30 FOOT TALL PYLON SIGN THAT IS NINE FOOT SIX TALL AND EIGHT FOOT WIDE, AND WE WERE TOLD POSITIVELY WE COULDN'T HAVE THAT BEFORE THIS MEETING. SO WE DROPPED THE SIZE DOWN, WHICH IS NOT A NORMAL SIZE FOR ALDI AND 114 STORES THAT I TAKE CARE OF. WE HAVE MAYBE THREE. THAT'S NOT. NINE FOOT SIX BY EIGHT FOOT WIDE, AND WHENEVER THEY SAID THAT I HAD TO BE NO. THE OVERALL HEIGHT I THINK WAS EIGHT FEET. WELL. THEY WERE NOT EVEN UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE ALLOWED A PYLON SIGN AT ALL. WHENEVER THEY BROUGHT THIS IN HERE. AND THE ARCHITECT THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH IT, THEIR QUESTIONING REGARDING THAT MATTER, BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN WITH THE PITCH THAT HE BROUGHT TO THE CITY, THAT THEY WANTED THIS PYLON SIGN TO GO ALONG WITH THIS WHOLE PROJECT. SO THEY'RE WILLING TO TO WORK, BUT THEY REALLY NEED SOME HEIGHT. THERE IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, AND THAT'S WHERE I CAME UP WITH THE DRAWING TO SHOW THE HEIGHT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND LIKE I SAID, WHETHER THE GRADE IS 2FT OR 4FT DIFFERENT, WE'LL SHOOT OUR SIGN HEIGHT OFF OF 107 SO THAT WE'RE ACCEPTABLE TO THE HEIGHT THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO GO WITH. AND THAT SHOULD PROBABLY ELIMINATE THAT, BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, WHEN I READ THIS, I THOUGHT, WELL, I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A SIGN. DRAWINGS FOR THE ELEVATION, THE SIGN. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY YOU WANTED THERE. AND THAT'S THE REASON I DIDN'T GO OUT THERE AND MEASURE. I WAS ON SITE THIS MORNING AND I WALKED THAT CORNER, AND WE'RE ALMOST THE SAME HEIGHT IN THAT CORNER. ARE YOU DONE MOVING DIRT IN THAT CORNER RIGHT NOW? YES THEY ARE. THEY'RE READY FOR FINISHED GRADE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND THE SITUATION IS I'VE GOT TO GET A BASE PUT IN THERE BEFORE THEY PUT THE PARKING LOT IN. OTHERWISE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A BIG HAMMER BACKHOE WITH A BIG HAMMER ON IT TO BUST IT. THAT'S SOLID ROCK WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO IN AT. THERE'S NO UTILITIES OR NOTHING IN THAT AREA, AND IT'S SOLID ROCK. WE TOOK AND PRIED IT, CHECKED IT, AND IT'S ABOUT 2.5FT AND WE'RE SOLID ROCK. AND SO THE DRAWING WE SENT WITH THE DRILLED POLE BASE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN OPTIONAL POLE BASE OF A SPREAD BASE BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT'S SOLID ROCK THERE, AND WHICH SHOULDN'T AFFECT THIS SITUATION. BUT THEY REALLY ARE LOOKING FOR TRYING TO GET CLOSE AS THEY CAN TO 20 FOOT HEIGHT. OKAY. AND WHETHER IT BE A MONUMENT OR A POLE SIGN, THAT CORNER THERE HAS POLE SIGNS EVERYWHERE. THERE'S NO LET'S TALK ABOUT LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY THAT IS. THAT'S THOSE WERE YOUR ZONING. THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS CODE. RIGHT? THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THAT WAY TODAY I RESPECT THAT. I GOT NO DOLLAR TREE MEETS THE CURRENT CODE, RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I CAME UP WITH THE MONUMENT SIGN, THE STYLE I DID. AND TALKING TO COREY, SHE SAID, THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE COULD GET A VARIANCE FOR IS THE HEIGHT OF IT. WE COULDN'T GET A VARIANCE FOR THE SIZE OF IT. AND WHEN I DID IT, I PUT THE ADDRESS NUMBERS ON IT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO GO WHEN THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE STREET, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE ALSO HELPFUL. SO BUT I'M IN A TIME CRUNCH AND I HONESTLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAD TO HAVE FOR THAT [00:35:03] PART. AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 1979, AND SO I'VE HAD A LONG RECORD OF IT, AND I ALWAYS TRY TO SHOOT THE GRADE FOR MY SIGNS ACCORDING TO THE STREET HEIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT WE'RE NOT PLAYING WITH YOUR ELEVATION THERE. SO. WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE FOR OPENING THE STORE? WELL, I WAS ON SITE TODAY AND THEY'RE TURNING OVER THE STORE TO ALDI TO START STOCKING AND PUTTING SHELVING IN IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS. OKAY, THEIR ORIGINAL TIMELINE WAS THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND I MADE A COUPLE PHONE CALLS AND THEY'VE MOVED IT TO THE 8TH OF OCTOBER NOW, AND THEY'RE WANTING TO START PUTTING A PARKING LOT IN WEEK AFTER NEXT. SO I'M KIND OF LIKE ALL IN THE MESS AND IT'S NOT YOU GUYS'S PROBLEM. IT'S NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU GUYS. IT'S THEIR PROBLEM. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FACILITATE IT, TO MAKE IT WORK FOR EVERYBODY. I EVEN SUGGESTED WE PUT A POLE BASE OUT THERE IN THE GROUND, AND A POLE IN IT FOR 20 FOOT TALL, AND IF WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SHORTER, I WON'T HAVE THE. BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IF WE DO THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE THE REST OF THE MONUMENT TO PUT BELOW THE ALDI SIGN WHEN THE STORE OPENS, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SLAP IN YOU GUYS'S FACE IF I DO THAT, BECAUSE OF THE FACT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE THAT AND SAY, WAIT A SECOND, YOU GUYS ALLOWED A PYLON SIGN INSTEAD OF A MONUMENT SIGN? SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE AND GET IT TOGETHER. AND I HAVE A COMPANY THAT'S IN SOUTH DAKOTA THAT BUILDS ALL OF ALDI SIGNS AND THEY'RE CUT OFF. DAY IS DAY AFTER TOMORROW. ON BUILDING THE POLE SHROUD AND EVERYTHING TO HAVE IT TO ME WITHIN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS. SO I'M LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO I'M IN A CATCH 22 ON THIS, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR YOUR BOARD AND WORKS FOR ALDI, AND EVERYBODY GOES ON HAPPY. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THIS. WE'VE DONE STORES THAT THE STORES THAT HAVE THE SMALLER SIGNS, WHETHER IT BE BUILDING SIGNS OR MONUMENT SIGNS, THOSE STORES VOLUME ARE LESS THAN THE STORES WITH THE BIG SIGNS. AND IT'S CRAZY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN PROVEN. AND UNTIL ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, WHENEVER THEY WENT IN TO PITCH A STORE, THE FIRST THING THEY SAID WAS, THIS IS OUR SIGNS. ARE YOU GOING TO APPROVE THEM? AND I'VE WENT TO MEETINGS LIKE THAT. AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS IN CHARGE OF IT, IF THEY SAID NO, HE'D PACK HIS BOOKS AND HE'D LEFT. AND I MEAN, SO HE MUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. AND WHENEVER I TOLD THE ENGINEER THAT, HEY, YOU'RE NOT GETTING A PYLON SIGN HERE, HE ABOUT HAD A HEART ATTACK, SO HE'S ON THE PHONE WITH THE ARCHITECT, FINDING OUT WHY IT WASN'T BROUGHT TO YOU GUYS ATTENTION. WHENEVER THE FIRST PITCHED A JOB. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WASN'T EITHER. BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT FACTOR. AND THE ARCHITECT DID NOT TELL THEM THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT. SO BECAUSE THAT THIS COMMISSION I DON'T SOME OF THE FOLKS UP HERE WITH ME MAY HAVE, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT THIS COMMISSION LABORED OVER CHANGING THE SIGN CODE SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO CHANGE IT TO MONUMENT SIGNS FOR A REASON. SO I AGREE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE MEMBERS AT THAT TIME WERE TIRED OF POLE SIGNS AND WANTED MONUMENT SIGNS, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE APPROVED THE SITE PLAN FOR THE STORE, WHAT WAS ON THAT SITE PLAN? I SLEPT SINCE THEN, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE TWO, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION. SO WE HAD LOOKED INTO THAT. THIS WAS ALL OF COURSE DISCOVERED AFTER THE FACT A COUPLE A FEW WEEKS AGO IT WAS PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION. THERE WERE NO THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL DETAILS. THERE WAS NO ELEVATION SUBMITTED WHERE IT WAS CORRECT. WE ONLY FIGURED OUT THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING A PYLON SIGN, WHICH DOES NOT PERMIT IT. I CAVEAT IT WITH THAT WAS WITH THE BUILDING PLANS WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING. SO THAT INITIATED THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. I HAVE NO COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND I'M THE MAYOR OF THE TOWN I LIVE IN, AND I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE SAME THINGS YOU GUYS DEAL WITH ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS. SO I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND ABOUT THE VARIANCES AND ABOUT THIS IS THE NEW CODE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT. AND I RESPECT ALL THOSE THINGS. BUT I'M THE GUY THAT COMES IN AND HAS TO ASK FOR THESE THINGS. AND I TRY TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE, TRYING TO MAKE IT AS CLOSE AS I COULD TO YOUR RULES, BUT YET SATISFY THE CUSTOMER ALSO. AND TABLING THIS WOULD REALLY CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR ME AND FOR THE FABRICATION AND EVERYTHING OF THE SIGNAGE TO GET THE STORE WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HAD A ALDI STORE EVER OPEN WITHOUT A PYLON SIGN OR MONUMENT SIGN. THE DAY OF OPENING. AND SO I'VE GOT TO [00:40:04] FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THIS THING DONE. BUT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A PYLON SIGN. NO, IT'S WELL, IT'S A MONUMENT. WE'RE HAVING THE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND IS GOING TO BE THE SAME SIZE AS THE ROAD SIGN. SHE'S GOT A PICTURE OF IT. OKAY, BUT UNDERSTAND, IT'S A 19 FOOT SIX TALL MONUMENT SIGN LOOKING SIGN WHICH IS 11FT TALLER, 11 FOOT SIX OVER THE RULE. OKAY. IS THIS THE TYPE OF SIGN THAT'S AT THE LITTLE ROCK LOCATION? DO YOU KNOW THE LITTLE ROCK LOCATION? WE HAVE A REGULAR SIZED SIGN THERE AT THAT LOCATION. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE 30 FOOT TALL. OKAY, NOW, I SEEN A DRAWING THAT COREY SENT ME REGARDING A LOCATION THAT HAD A MONUMENT SIGN AND THAT'S NOT A LITTLE ROCK LOCATION, BECAUSE I DID BOTH THOSE. THAT LOCATION IS IN MISSOURI, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAIL OF IT, BECAUSE I WENT BACK THROUGH MY PICTURES TRYING TO FIND THAT PICTURE SO I WOULD KNOW. BUT EVERYTHING IN LITTLE ROCK IS 30 FOOT TALL, AND THE STUFF WE'RE DOING FOR. NORTH ARKANSAS, WE'RE DEALING WITH THEM ON TWO LOCATIONS. ONE OF THEM HAS A GREAT BIG SHOPPING CENTER SIGN, BUT THERE WAS NO ISSUE ABOUT PUTTING FACES IN IT. AND THE OTHER ONE, IT SAYS A MONUMENT SIGN ALSO, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE DISCUSSION LIKE YOU PEOPLE WERE ALSO REGARDING PUTTING A PYLON OR MONUMENT IN. AND THIS IS WHAT I'LL BE PROPOSING TO NORTHERN ARKANSAS. ALSO, IF THEY WON'T TAKE A PYLON SIGN. WHAT'S A CABIN POLE SIGN RIGHT HERE? IT'S A POLE SIGN, FULL SIZE CABIN. THAT'S CABIN PICTURE RIGHT THERE. I'VE DONE EVERY SIGN FOR ALDI'S OVER 114 LOCATIONS SINCE 1984, AND I CAN JUST ABOUT REMEMBER EVERY LOCATION, BUT CABOT DOES HAVE 30 FOOT TALL PYLON. IT DOES HAVE THE SAME BUILDING SIGNS AS YOU GUYS ARE GETTING. THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WON'T THEY THEY HAVE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE IS THE COMPANY THAT PUT THE POLE NO GROUND FOR ME. THE PAINT ON IT FEELS LIKE ALLIGATOR SKIN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PAINT IT PROPERLY. AND I'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND CLEAN THAT MESS UP FOR THAT. SO BUT IT'LL LOOK VERY NICE. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T FENCE ON THEIR STUFF. THEY MAKE SURE IT LOOKS PERFECT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WITH ALDI, WE HAVE A SIGN PROGRAM THAT EVERY 3 OR 4 YEARS WE HAVE TO CHECK EVERY ONE TO SIGN, MAKE SURE THE POLES ARE PAINTED, MAKE SURE THE CABINETS LOOK GOOD, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO TEARS IN THE FACES. EVERYTHING'S CLEAN. I MEAN, THEY ARE VERY PICKY. AND THAT'S THE SAME THING WE DO WITH PARKING LOT LIGHTS. WE MAINTAIN THEIR PARKING LOT LIGHTS FOR THEM, AND IF THERE'S A PARKING LOT OUT, LIGHT OUT 30 DAYS. SOMETHING'S DEFINITELY WRONG. IT BETTER BE FIXED WITHIN THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK. THAT'S CALLED IN. THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW PICKY THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR IMAGE UP. SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER THIS. AND WE WILL MAKE IT 19FT, SIX INCHES FROM THE STREET HEIGHT. THAT WAY THERE'S NO PUSHING ABOUT ELEVATION. IF THAT WOULD WORK FOR THIS BOARD. AND STAFF. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MENTIONED TABLING FOR MORE INFORMATION. SO GIVEN WHAT HE STATED THIS EVENING, WHAT OTHER INFORMATION WOULD YOU NEED? SO WE AS STAFF WE NEVER RECEIVE RESPONSES TO THE STAFF REPORT. SO WE WENT OFF THE LIMITED INFORMATION WE HAD. I WOULD LIKE I DON'T WANT TO GET IT CONFUSED. THIS REQUEST THIS EVENING IS NOT FOR A PYLON SIGN. IT'S FOR A MONUMENT SIGN THAT IS 19FT SIX INCHES IN HEIGHT. SO THE SIGN ITSELF, THAT SIGN TYPE THAT IS MAKING A HORRIBLE NOISE IS IS SOMETHING THAT IS PERMITTED. IT'S A VARIANCE TO THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. I THINK THERE'S BEEN ABLE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING THAT WOULD BE WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. OF COURSE, I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO ENSURE THAT IT'S NOT WITHIN THAT 15 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT. I THINK STAFF WOULD BE WOULD DESIRE TO SEE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS THAT OUTSIDE OF THAT ALSO, THAT THERE IS NO SIGHT DISTANCE ISSUE CREATED. BUT IF WE WERE INCLINED TO APPROVE THE HEIGHT VARIANCE SUBJECT TO LIKE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, COULD WE DO THAT THIS EVENING? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER HAD A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO A VARIANCE BEFORE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXPUNGE THE [00:45:01] VOTE ON TABLING IT. FIRST, YOU NEED TO PULL BACK OUT OF THAT IF YOU WANT. YOU ALL AGREE. YOU ALL. WE ALL NODDED AND AGREED. SO HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WE. TECHNICALLY WE GOT TO GET RID OF THAT FIRST. SO YEAH, YOU'RE THE YOU MADE THE MOTION AND MR. PATEL WAS THE SECOND. WELL I MAKE A MOTION THAT THAT WE I GUESS UNTABLE WHAT WE TABLED. WE JUST EXPUNGE THE VOTE. EXPUNGED. EXPUNGED THE. OKAY. MAKE A MOTION TO EXPUNGE THE VOTE. THERE YOU GO. ON THE MOTION TO TABLE THE FACT SECOND. OKAY, NOW YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO EXPUNGE. NO, HE HE'S SITTING BACK HERE LIKE HE DOES. HE'S TO GET YOU TO SCOOT OR SLAP THE MIC DUDE. SORRY. OKAY. HOSKIN. PATEL. HI, MARTIN. HI, WILLIAMS. DOZIER I. OKAY. NO. OKAY. SO THE TABLE VOTE AT THIS POINT HAS NOT NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT? IT'S BEEN EXPUNGED. SO WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION? I'M I'M GONNA TELL YOU MY OPINION. FOR THE RECORD, I WAS HERE, I SAT THROUGH ALL THE ALL THIS LABORING THROUGH THE REVAMP OF THE SIGN. I WAS ON BOARD WITH THE LOW ONES. I LIKE THE LOW ONES. I THINK THE DOLLAR TREE ONE IS WHAT WE WERE AFTER. WALMART'S DOWN THE STREET. EVEN THOUGH WHEN WALMART WENT IN WAS THAT WAS NOT THE ORDINANCE. THEY DID THAT ON THEIR OWN, BUT THE MONUMENT SIGN WAS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME WHEN IT WAS PASSED A FEW YEARS AGO. AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE TIMELINE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT IS THE CURRENT HEIGHT OF THE OTHER PYLON SIGNS THAT ARE THERE IN THE AREA? DO WE KNOW? RIGHT? YEAH. I COULDN'T SAY WITH CERTAINTY. OKAY. WHAT I'M JUST CURIOUS TO SEE HOW IT WOULD COMPARE TO THE OTHER PYLON SIGNS FROM PREVIOUS CODES. WALMART'S IS PRETTY CLOSE. PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE, I'M GUESSING TO THE TO THE EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT NUMBER. THAT'S A GUESS THOUGH. OKAY. AND THE OTHER PYLONS THAT ARE AROUND THAT THEY'RE ALL BETWEEN 25 AND 30FT IN HEIGHT. THE GAS STATION, THE ONE AROUND THE CORNER, THE FUNERAL HOME ORDER IS IT'S LIKE 20FT ON TOP OF IT ALSO. SO THE SIGN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED WOULD BE OF SIMILAR HEIGHT TO THOSE SIGNS. YES. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO JUST JUST I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. IS IT GONNA BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? THAT ONE IS. OR IS THIS GOING TO BE LIKE TALLER IS TALLER. IT'S 19FT, SIX INCHES TALL. THAT ONE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 7 OR 8 FOOT TALL. OKAY. BUT WHERE THAT ONE'S LOCATED AT, YOU GOT SOME GREAT VISIBILITY. AND WHERE THIS ONE'S LOCATED AT, THERE IS GOOD VISIBILITY ON TWO ROADS OF THE THREE AND OF THE FOUR, I SHOULD SAY TWO OF THEM IS OKAY. THEY'RE NOT GREAT. SO HE'S THE SIGN'S GOING TO BE KIND OF LIKE, LIKE THIS FOR VISIBILITY OR IT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO BE PERPENDICULAR WITH 107. HERE IT IS ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU HOW THEY HAVE IT DRAWN. AND IT WILL BE 15FT LIKE YOU REQUESTED. SO WE'RE NOT IN UTILITIES WHATSOEVER. THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE VIRGIN GROUND THAT WE'RE AT THE HAMMER THROUGH TO PUT THE BASE IN. THEY NEVER HAVE PROBLEMS WITH EASEMENTS. AND THEN THE NEXT DOOR THAT COMES ALONG THAT WANTS TO ANOTHER VARIANCE FOR THEIR SIGN. HAVE WE GRANTED A VARIANCE. NOT SINCE THE CHANGE OF THE CODE TO MY KNOWLEDGE. YOU KNOW ANY DIFFERENT? WE HAVE NOT. NOT SINCE THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE WAS ENACTED. THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE. AND CAN I ASK FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE, THE REASON WHY WE'RE MAKING THIS PROPOSAL VERSUS A TRADITIONAL SIGN IS FOR WHAT REASON EXACTLY? WELL, OUR TRADITIONAL IS A 30 FOOT TALL PYLON SIGN, BUT YOUR CODE DOES NOT ALLOW IT, SO WHY NOT AT 7 OR 8 FOOT TALL SIGN LIKE THE OTHER. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE VISIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD FURTHER SO THEY CAN BE ABLE TO CUSTOM BE ABLE TO SEE IT FURTHER WHEN THEY'RE COMING UP. SOUTHBOUND, SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC. OKAY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. IT'S GONNA BE VISIBLE ANYWAYS. YOU HAVE THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING TO WRITE THE BILL. WHEN THEY'RE UP BY THE TRAFFIC LIKE THIS, YOU WILL SEE THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING. YES, SIR. HAS ANYBODY EVER CHALLENGED A VARIANCE FOR THIS, THIS HEIGHT SINCE IT'S [00:50:06] CODE BEEN CHANGED? OR AM I THE FIRST? YOU ARE THE FIRST. YEAH. THANK YOU. TO MY KNOWLEDGE. WELL, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I SIT THROUGH A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AT LEAST TWO A MONTH, AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS. EVERY TOWN'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. AND I JUST TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IN ROME, YOU DO AS THE ROMANS DO, AS I ALWAYS SAY. AND IF WE CAN'T, LET'S GET CLOSE AS WE CAN. SO FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ONLY REASON WE'RE MAKING THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR VISIBILITY, ONLY VISIBILITY, AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF THE FACT THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE PROPER SIGNAGE, THE PROPER VISIBILITY, THE STORE'S VOLUME IS LOWER, AND WHEN THE STORE'S VOLUME IS LOWER, THEIR SALES ARE LOWER. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU GUYS, THE SALES TAX IS LOWER. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE SALES UP AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T COMPETE AGAINST WALMART, BUT YET THEY'RE RIGHT THERE AT EACH OTHER'S THROAT ALL THE TIME. EVERY TIME THERE'S A NEW WALMART BUILT WITHIN A FEW YEARS, THERE'S AN ALDI BUILT NEAR. SO. BUT EVERY BUSINESS THAT COMES INTO TOWN COULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO ALL, BUT IT IS. IT'S A HARDSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT UNIQUE. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS, I APPRECIATE THEM. OKAY. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE? YOU PUT TWO SIGNS, ONE FURTHER DOWN, 1 OR 7 AND ONE ON THIS CORNER. THERE'S ONLY ONE SIGN THERE ON THE CORNER OF 107. NOW, FOR VISIBILITY PURPOSES, I'M SAYING IF THEY THEY CAN PUT CLOSER TO BY THE DOLLAR TREE ON THAT SIDE AND IN THAT CORNER. ARE YOU SAYING SOUTH ON THE SIDE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SPEAKING TO AN ADDITIONAL SIGN, IF HE HAD IT ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE, YOU DEFINITELY WOULD NOT GET TO SEE IT AS WELL. COMING DOWN 107 TO THE STORE, THE CORNER IS THE PERFECT PLACE. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE HEIGHT WHERE THEY WANT IT. WE NEED A MOTION. WELL, I THINK YOU NEED TO WALK UP AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND BE SWORN IN. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. TAMMY TOMPKINS. ECONOMIC. YEP. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. OKAY. DO YOU DO YOU DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD? YES. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE MAKE A POINT JUST AT THE SAFETY FACTOR. IF NOTHING ELSE, I UNDERSTAND. I WAS NOT HERE WHEN ALL THE SIGN RULES ARE MADE. I UNDERSTAND THE MONUMENT SIGNS LIVED IN MANY, MANY TOWNS WHERE THAT THAT EXIST. BUT ONE THING THAT. AND I KNOW WE'RE MOVING IT BACK TO 15FT BACK, WHICH IS GOOD TO BE SAFE, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE. SO AS WE'RE GETTING INTO A MONUMENT SIGN IN THAT LOCATION SPECIFICALLY AS WELL, WE'RE BLOCKING VIEWS THAT I LIVE IN CABOT, I HAVE THE POLE SIGN THERE. YOU DON'T EVEN SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY. I KNOW Y'ALL MADE THE RULES, AND I KNOW I'M NOT SAYING TO TOTALLY CHANGE EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SAFETY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THAT AS WELL. WITH THAT, FOR THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION, THAT'S ALL. AND I DO THANK YOU ALL. I WANT TO GO ON RECORD SAYING FOR COMING BACK AND RECONSIDERING, BECAUSE AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S OUR GOAL FOR THE CITY, IS TO HAVE BUSINESSES LIKE ALDI COMING IN TO OUR CITY TO TO BRING IN REVENUE TO THE CITY FOR GROWTH. SO THANK YOU FOR RECONSIDERING. SO BASED ON THE PHOTO, BASED ON THE DRAWING THAT WAS IN THE PACKET, WHETHER IT'S EIGHT FOOT TALL OR 19 SIX FOOT TALL, IT'S STILL SIX FOOT SOMETHING WIDE, SIX FOOT FOOT THREE WIDE. RIGHT. SO THERE'S THERE'S NO POLE. IT IS GOING TO BE SIX FOOT THREE WIDE. WHETHER THE HEIGHT IS WHATEVER THE HEIGHT IS, RIGHT. WHETHER IT MEETS THE CODE OR THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED. YEAH. SO AND I THINK THAT IS A THAT IS GOING TO BE A SITE DISTANCE ISSUE NO MATTER WHAT. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE, SUBJECT TO THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE 15FT BACK FOR THE UTILITY EASEMENT. I SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE [00:55:09] VARIANCE. CULTURAL. HOSKIN PATEL, A MARTIN NO. WILLIAMS I DOZIER. NO. MOTION FAILS. THE MOTION FAILS. YOUR BRANCH WAS DENIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. THANK YOU SIR. I CAN GO BACK TO THEM AND TELL THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THE SHORT ONE AND BE DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. BACK TO OLD BUSINESS WAS THE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 8TH MEETING MINUTES, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE. ENOUGH MEMBERS PRESENT THAT TONIGHT THAT WERE PRESENT AT THAT MEETING. SO WE CANNOT TAKE THAT ITEM UP. IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADJOURN. HOSKIN PATEL. HI, MARTIN WILLIAMS I DOZIER I. CINDY, AM I SAYING YOUR LAST NAME * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.