Nov 10, 2025 Budget Review

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RIGHT. WE ALL GOOD? OKAY. YOU GUYS, THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR FIRST TWO BUDGET REVIEW

[Budget Review on November 10, 2025.]

HE'S LIKE PAGE I'M ON, I'M ON THE SUMMARY. SO IT WOULD BE EVERYONE. CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOUR GREEN LIGHTS ARE TURNED ON SO WE CAN HEAR YOU ON PAGE THREE OF THAT. 123. OKAY. I'M USING THE FIRST PAGE WHICH IS THE SUMMARY. YEP YEP. AND I'LL GET INTO THE FUND RESERVES IN A SECOND. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE TOTAL REVENUES ARE EXPECTED AT 32 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR.

THEY'RE BUDGETED FOR 32 MILLION. THAT IS ABOUT 6% GROWTH OVER PRIOR YEARS. BUDGET. AND THAT IS 1.8 MILLION. THAT 6%. THAT'S MADE UP OF TWO REVENUE STREAMS, ONE $850,000 OR SO IS FROM THE NEW MILLAGE. AND THE BALANCE IS MAINLY MADE UP OF EXPECTED SALES, SALES TAX GROWTH. THAT REPRESENTS ANOTHER 800,000. SO THAT GETS US TO 1.6 MILLION. OF THE 1.8 GROWTH IS IN THOSE TWO LINE ITEMS. NOW THAT'S $32 MILLION OVERALL FOR THE REVENUE. THE THE FUND RESERVES WILL ADD 1.2 MILLION. IF WE LOOK AT THE COLA COLUMN THAT GOES TO 1.8. THE 1.2 IS, AS I MENTIONED, CARRIED OVER FROM 2025. THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT. AND THE POINT SIX IS GOING TO BE THE COLA. SO THAT'S THE 1.8 THAT WE'RE SEEING IN FUND RESERVES FOR 2026. BETWEEN THE 32 MILLION OVERALL REVENUE PLUS THE 1.8. THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THE 33.8 IN TOTAL REVENUE. AND AS FAR AS EXPENSES, I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE A REDUCTION, AS YOU CAN SEE OVERALL OF 5.6 MILLION, DRIVEN MAINLY BY A REDUCTION IN EXPENSES IN ADMINISTRATION, WHICH OF COURSE IS ALSO RELATED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. SO THAT'S MONIES THAT WERE SPENT IN 25 THAT WILL NOT BE SPENT IN 26. SO SO IT MAKES THE THE REVENUE DECREASE FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

THAT'S 5 MILLION OF THE 5.6. THE REST AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE VARIANCES IN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. AND WE HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE WHO CAN WHO WILL ADDRESS THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS EXPENDITURES. CAN I ASK YOU, ALEX, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAID THE REDUCTION IN THIS YEAR'S EXPENSES FOR PUBLIC WORKS, WERE THOSE CAPITAL? YES, IT WAS RELATED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, POLICE AND FIRE TRAINING? YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT TOMORROW. I MEAN, I'M SORRY. THURSDAY WILL ADDRESS STREET AND WASTEWATER AS WELL. SO. AND POLICE AND POLICE. YES.

AND SO OUR FOCUS TODAY WILL BE ON THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. SO WE'LL HIT

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THERE YOU GO. THAT'S IT. OKAY. SO. OH THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS AS A MATHEMATICIAN I LOOK AT LONGITUDINAL DATA. SO I KNOW YOU PREPARED THE BUDGET FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, BUT DO WE KNOW WHAT OUR FUND RESERVES HAVE LOOKED LIKE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS? IS THAT ON THIS SHEET YOU JUST GAVE US? YOU'VE GOT IT. YOU YOU'VE YOU'VE GOT THAT ON THERE. IF YOU LOOK, YOU NOT ONLY HAVE IT IN THIS ONE, BUT THEN IF YOU THE DOCUMENT HE JUST HANDED OUT. YES, MA'AM. IF YOU, IF YOU FLIP OVER. SORRY. RIGHT THERE ON THE SECOND PAGE. OKAY. IT'S AVAILABLE FUND RESERVE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN IF YOU LOOK ACROSS WHAT WE'VE HAD. LET ME LOOK AT IT FIRST. YEAH. ALSO, IF, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE USE IT FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES, MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T ACTUALLY END UP USING IT. DID YOU FIND IT? DO Y'ALL NEED DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS? SO EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE IT IS OVER HERE OKAY. THIS IS A SIZE FOUR FONT. WELL THERE'S A LOT THAT THAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM COLLEEN. SO DON'T BLAME HIM FOR THAT. I MARY SAID IT'S A SIZE FOUR. THOUGHT THAT WAS AN OBSERVATION. AND ALSO IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE OTHER PAGE YOU CAN SEE 20 HE'S GOT ON THERE. 24, 25 AND 26 ON YOUR YOUR FUND BALANCES. SO THAT TAKES YOU ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2020. BUT SEE I'M WONDERING WHERE BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO FIND MY AN OLD BUDGET AND I HAD A NOTE THAT WE HAD 20.1 IN RESERVES IN 2023. I KNOW THAT WAS COVID FUNDS. THOSE WAS SPECIAL MONEY. SO IS THAT IN A DIFFERENT I MEAN, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS 60. BUT REMEMBER THAT WAS PRE THE ALLOCATION FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS POLICE AND FIRE TRAINING FACILITY. WE ALLOCATED 6.7 FOR THAT. SO THAT THAT'S WHERE YOUR SO THIS ISN'T THE BALANCE. THIS IS WHAT THESE NUMBERS ARE BUDGETED OR JUST IF WE NEED TO THAT'S THE PORTION THAT'S BUDGETED OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND. OKAY. I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE IS THE BUCKET OF RESERVE MONEY. WHERE IT'S IT'S THIS THAT PAGE THAT WAS THE ONE RIGHT BEFORE. SO LIKE, AS OF THE END OF OCTOBER IN JUST THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S 18,106,497. SO WE TODAY HAVE A AS OF THE 31ST, HAVE A $26 MILLION FUND RESERVE OVERALL ON ALL OF OUR BUDGET ITEMS. YES. THIS ISN'T PART OF OUR BUDGETED MONEY THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON SPENDING. THIS IS JUST EXTRA MONEY THAT'S NOT EARMARKED FOR ANYTHING. 1.8 OF IT IS IS BUDGETED, POTENTIALLY 1.8 OF THE 26 IS NO OUT OF YOUR GENERAL. WE'RE JUST RIGHT NOW DEALING WITH YOUR GENERAL. YEAH. RIGHT. SO OUT OF 18 ONLY 1.8 IS. SO AS WE GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT ITEMS, ALEX, YOU ACTUALLY TOOK, IF YOU NEED ANY FUND BALANCE FOR GENERAL FOR GENERAL, THEY THEY MATCH. THEY PARALLELED EACH OTHER CORRECT. YES MA'AM. AND PUBLIC WORKS. SO STREET FOR STREET WASTEWATER WASTEWATER. FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD ALEC DO THIS AND JUST TO SEE WHAT HIS METHOD WAS I THOUGHT I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO ME TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF SEE IT ALL PLAINLY WRITTEN OUT. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK HE DID.

THANK YOU. BUT THE GOOD THING IS, DESPITE WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE POSTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AS MARINA AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE WE ARE ARE DOING HAVE DONE CONTINUE A HISTORY OF

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DO YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BUDGETS TO COVER TONIGHT. BUT IF YOU DON'T THAT'S OKAY. JUST. SO BACK TO MY QUESTION. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT BEING STUPID. WHEN I ASKED ABOUT HOW ON THIS PAGE YOU HAVE THE FUND RESERVES, THIS IS 2026 EXPENDITURES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. OKAY, 26 MILLION.

RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SIMILAR PAGE FOR 24, 23, 20? I DON'T THINK THIS IS NOT THE SAME. IT IS. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT YOUR YOUR FUND BALANCE WAS FOR ALL THOSE YEARS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE CATEGORIES THERE ABOVE IT. SO ON THE PREVIOUS PAGES AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH IT'S, IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME THING WITH THAT. SURE. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT SAYS AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. IT'S NOT THE AMOUNT THAT'S TOTALLY IN THE RESERVES, IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT THAT WE USE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. RIGHT. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BALANCE. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER QUESTION.

SO IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT IF YOU TAKE OUT ACTUALLY THE 1.2 WHICH IS ALLOCATED FOR THE REST OF THE MONEY TO FINISH UP THE PUBLIC WORKS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED, YOU'RE DOWN TO 600, 600,000 TAKEN OUT OF THE 18 OUT OF THE 18. YEAH. BECAUSE 1.2 OF THAT IS JUST THE ALREADY DEDICATED FOR THAT BUILDING. NOW THAT'S 1.1. 2 MILLION IN THAT WAY. I JUST SAID, YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT 600,001.2. RIGHT, RIGHT. MINUS FROM THAT. IT'S NOT 600. YOU GO 1.8, -1.2 IS 600,000. THAT SAME THING HAPPENED TO JOSH THE OTHER DAY. YEAH. SO IF YOU TAKE 1.8 -1.2 YOU GET 600,000 OKAY. AND THAT'S REFERRING TO WHICH ITEM I'M JUST SAYING OVERALL. YEAH.

THE FUND BALANCE. SO THAT WOULD BE ON NUMBER THREE. THE BOTTOM LINE AVAILABLE FUND RESERVE. SO THE BOTTOM LINE WITH THE COLA IS IF YOU TAKE THE 1.2 MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATED, THEN REALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE OF 600,000 WITHOUT THE COLA. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. VERSUS IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THOSE OTHER YEARS, IT'S QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT.

YOU'RE SAYING TAKING AN EXTRA 600,000, AN EXTRA 600,000 THAT WAS NOT ALLOCATED FROM LAST YEAR IS ALL THAT'S COMING. OKAY. JUST WIRELESS BIKE NUMBER ONE. YEAH. THAT'S IS THAT THIS ONE IS THE PROBLEM RIGHT HERE OKAY OKAY. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. GOTCHA. YEAH. THOSE TWO ARE GOOD OKAY OKAY. SO YES. SO IN TERMS OF NEEDING TO BALANCE OUT OF RESERVES, YOU TAKE AWAY THAT 1.2 MILLION TALKING ABOUT 600,000 OKAY. AND WITH WITHOUT THE COLA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 87,000 WHICH IS REALLY IN YOUR ON A BUDGET THIS SIZE MARGIN OF ERROR. DOES EVERYBODY FEEL COMFORTABLE TO GO TO PAGE FOUR. YES. NOW OKAY. YES. IF YOU'LL IF YOU'LL LOOK OVER YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT ROCK REGION METRO IN THERE. AND SO ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS IS THAT WE ARE REALLY DOING A, A LOT MORE IN TERMS OF SERVICES. SHOULD BE IT'S YOUR VERY NEXT

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THERE WE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'LL GET YOU EVERY TIME. OKAY. AND YOU'VE GOT ONE COLUMN THAT'S NO COLA ONE COLUMN COLA SO THAT YOU CAN SEE OKAY. THE COLA WAS BASED ON THE CPI.

CORRECT. OKAY. SO YOU KNOW WE WE DO THE THE BIGGEST INCREASE IS ROCK REGION METRO. AND THAT'S JUST BASED UPON THE CONTRACT. BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE FIRST YEAR IT WAS A DISCOUNTED.

THE SECOND YEAR IT BUMPED UP. SO WILL YOU SPEAK JUST BRIEFLY I SEE THOSE I MEAN I THINK IT'S GONE OVER VERY WELL. IS THAT I MEAN HAS IT BEEN WELL RECEIVED AND IT'S USED. IT IS. IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'LL INCREASE PLATEAU AND THEY'LL SLIGHTLY INCREASE. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL. BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE GOTTEN USED TO. BUT WHAT WE ALL NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS ON THE BUDGET SIDE, IT'S GOING TO BE COSTING US MORE, A BIGGER CHUNK EACH YEAR. BUT ROCK REGION METRO IS GOING TO COME AND DO A PRESENTATION FOR US AT THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. BUT THEY WERE GREAT AND THAT THEY WENT AHEAD AND EXTENDED THE FIRST YEAR RATE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO THAT WAY WE'RE ON A JANUARY DECEMBER. SO I KNOW THERE'S NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT WE DID KNOW ABOUT THE INCREASE. I MEAN, WE KIND OF WE AGREED TO THAT WHEN WE. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I WAS READING IN THE CITY AND TOWN WHEN WERE THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT ROCK REGION METRO AND THAT WE WERE DISCONTINUING THE SENIOR VAN. IT KIND OF MENTIONED THAT IN THE ARTICLE, THE SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER, IT SAID, WE'RE WORKING ON DISCONTINUING THE VAN, OUR SENIOR VAN. SO I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SURE. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS IN ORDER TO WE REALLY WANT OUR RESIDENTS USING THIS SERVICE. WE DON'T NEED TO BE DUPLICATING THE EXACT SAME SERVICE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE DOING ESSENTIALLY, THEN PAYING FOR IT TWICE. SO OUR SENIORS HAVE BEEN USING THIS SERVICE NOW FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE HELD THEIR HANDS AND WALKED THEM THROUGH EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT AND SO FORTH. SO THEY THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING. WELL, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT, BECAUSE I HELPED WRITE THE GRANTS FOR THOSE SOME OF THOSE VANS THAT WE HAVE, WE BECAUSE WE HAD A COMMITMENT TO USE THOSE VANS PERIOD OF TIME, THEY STILL DO. THEY JUST DON'T USE IT FOR THAT. THEY USE IT FOR LIKE WHEN THEY DO THEIR OUTINGS AND BASEBALL, BINGO AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS. THEY'RE STILL BEING USED FOR THE SENIORS. BUT I JUST MY POINT IS, IN THE GRANT, WE ALSO MENTIONED THESE OTHER AMENITIES THAT THEY COULD USE THAT VAN FOR. I DON'T WANT TO BE LYING TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE GRANT FOR THAT. WE ARE NOT THAT WE'RE DISCONTINUING. THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO USE THESE, THESE VANS FOR THE OUTINGS AND FOR TAKING SENIORS TO DOCTOR'S OFFICES, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S IN THE GRANT PROPOSAL, I WOULD THINK WE'D BE REMISS TO TO CHANGE THAT. UNTIL THAT GRANT THE LIFE OF THAT VAN EXPIRED. AM I MAKING SENSE? I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE WHAT THE GRANT PAPERWORK SAYS. BUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE IN THAT WE WERE DUPLICATING, DOING THE EXACT SAME THING IN TWO PARTS OF THE BUDGET. SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF YOU SURE, WE'LL CHECK ON IT.

YEAH. OKAY. NOW I JUST WANT TO GO BACK UP TO ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARIES. SO AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT WE MAKE SOME EXORBITANT SALARIES. SITTING UP HERE, SOMEONE REPORTED THAT WE MADE 33 TO 48, 33. WAS IT 33 TO 48? YES. OKAY. SO JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WE MAKE $9,535.37 A YEAR A YEAR. EVERYONE UP HERE MAKES THE SAME AMOUNT EXCEPT FOR THE MAYOR, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ALEX, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND CHARLIE AND CHARLOTTE, THE REST, THE REST OF THE EIGHT OF US MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT. CORRECT. WE ALL MAKE $400 A MONTH SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE AND $100 A MONTH EXPENSES FOR CAR GAS ALLOWANCE, PHONE, WHATEVER ELSE. SO $500 EXPENSE AND $9,535 A YEAR. SO JUST TO CLEAR THAT UP AND THAT'S WHAT YOU ALSO SAW, IS THAT CORRECT? COUNCILMEMBER TOWNSEND? WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE IN A TIME OF A LOT OF JUST TO DISPEL ANY RUMORS THAT WE'RE GETTING RICH SITTING UP HERE AND, AND AND ALSO JUST TO MENTION THE, THE SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE EXPENSE WE GET IS

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IT WAS ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR THAT I BELIEVE THE MAYOR HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE PROSECUTOR, WHO ADVISED THAT HE WAS CONSIDERING OR THINKING ABOUT PULLING THE COUNTY'S DEPUTY OUT OF THE SHERWOOD DISTRICT COURT. UP UNTIL THAT TIME, THE COURT DUTIES WERE SHARED BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND A DEPUTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY WHO HAD THE CRIMINAL SIDE. AND I WOULD HAVE THE TRAFFIC SIDE, THE TRUANCIES AND THE CODE, THAT INFORMATION. BUT HE SAID HE WAS THINKING ABOUT BASED UPON ISSUES THAT HE WAS HAVING IN THE OFFICE, THAT HE WAS PROBABLY GOING TO PULL THE DEPUTIES OUT OF ALL THE CITY ATTORNEY, ALL THE CITY DISTRICT COURTS, AND LEAVE THAT TO THE CITY ATTORNEYS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. I NOW HAVE IT ALL. I GOT ALL OF THE CRIMINAL CASES, ALL OF THE JAIL DOCKET EACH MORNING THAT WE DO WITH GRACE EVERY MORNING. AND SO THE OFFICE HAS GONE FROM PART TIME TO FULL TIME. AND THIS HAPPENED ON JUNE THE 1ST. SO I'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW ON A FULL TIME BASIS SINCE JUNE 1ST. WHAT IS THAT, SIX MONTHS? FIVE MONTHS? I'M REALLY DOING THE WORK OF TWO, TWO PLUS ATTORNEYS. THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS NOT HAD A RAISE SINCE 2001. IT'S BEEN 24 YEARS SINCE THERE'S BEEN AN ADJUSTMENT THERE. AND SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS AN ADJUSTMENT, SUPPORT FOR AN ADJUSTMENT OF THE SALARY OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

BASED UPON THIS ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD. AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT PAGE EIGHT OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET. AND YOU'LL SEE THERE UNDER THE SALARY FOR THE DISTRICT JUDGE, THAT THE STATE THE CITY HAS BEEN PAYING FOR, THE STATE IS TAKING THAT OVER COMPLETELY. SO THERE ARE FUNDS THERE THAT WOULD BE AMPLE TO ENHANCE THE POSITION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S SALARY WITHOUT COSTING THE CITY ANY MONEY. IN FACT, YOU'D STILL BE MONEY AHEAD. AND THE LAST POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE ADDITIONAL WORK I HAVE HAD AND ALL THE CITY ATTORNEYS BEFORE ME HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE A PRIVATE PRACTICE ON THE SIDE TO TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOME, WHICH HAS BEEN A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MY INCOME. I HAVE HAD TO GIVE ALL OF THAT UP. I HAD TO LITERALLY FILE MOTIONS WITH THE COURT TO GET OFF ALL THE ESTATES I WAS WORKING ON, AND ALL THE CASES THAT I HAD OPEN. I HAD TO STEP ASIDE FROM THOSE BECAUSE I CAN'T COMMIT TO DOING ALL THE WORK I'VE GOT TO DO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY NOW AND HAVE THE I WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO COURT AT A WHIM ON PRIVATE CASES LIKE I WOULD HAVE HAD IN THE PAST. SO I'M I'M THINKING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S SALARY SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE COMMENSURATE WITH THE MAYOR AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE FAIR, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD RESULT. I'M ASKING YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT REGARD. WHAT'S WHAT PAGE IS THE POLICE CHIEF'S SALARY ON DEPARTMENT HEADS? HE'S ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, I BELIEVE SO. THAT FREE TO THE FRONT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE THAT? YES. THREE PAGES. I'VE GOT IT HERE. TWO. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN WE. ASK MISS ROSS TO FIND OUT WHAT PART TIME CITY ATTORNEYS AND SIMILAR SITUATIONS ARE MAKING? YES, AS

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IT'S 6000. SO SIX. SO CURRENTLY THE SALARY IS. YEAH. IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS 6000. AND WITH THE LOSS OF THE PRIVATE PRACTICE THAT'S AT LEAST 50,000. I'VE LOST A YEAR. AND IT WAS PERHAPS OR SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OTHER YEARS. YEAH. SO THAT IT WOULD IF YOU MOVE THE 6000 OVER THERE THAT BRINGS THE SALARY WITH THE COLA TO 100 AND BASICALLY 100 NOW BECAUSE IT'S 96,000 766. SO IT'D BE RIGHT 112. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. YEAH. 100. THAT WOULD BE 112,000. 766 IS THE THIRD ITEM ON PAGE FOUR. AND THEN IF YOU WITHOUT THE COLA THEN THAT'S 99 948. PAGE FOUR.

PAGE FOUR. THIRD ITEM. NOW WOULD BE 102 102, 102, NOT 112, WITH 6000 INCREASE ON 96,000.

THIRD. OKAY. SO YES, I'M SORRY 102 102 766. AND THE GOAL IS THE GOAL FOR YOU IS TO GET TO THAT'S FROM. THEN THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT QUESTION. 119 FIVE WOULD BE MY GOAL. CAN I I DEFINITELY WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE EXPENSES JUST BE PUT IN THE SALARY FOR SURE. THAT'S AT LEAST 6000. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHICH IS ALREADY WHICH IS A MORE THE MORE ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING. RIGHT. IF IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON PAGE FOUR, IT'S LINE ITEM 70175 EXPENSES FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. IS IT 6000 THAT THAT TOTAL LINE BE ELIMINATED? HE'S ALREADY RECEIVING THE MONEY AND PUT IT UP IN THERE. THE 70115 I'D MAKE THAT RIGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET TO WHERE THAT'S THAT'S I'M PIECING THINGS RIGHT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S WANTING I, HE THAT'S I JUST THIS IS SEMI-RELATED. BUT. I, I FOUND AN OLD FROM 2023 AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE COULD GO BACK TO THE HR MEETINGS. SOME OF THESE POSITIONS ONE ONE POSITION HAD A 20.4% INCREASE, ONE HAD 18.5, ONE HAD A 15.09. ONE HAD A 14.

NO. THIS HAS CHANGED FROM 2023 TO THE PROPOSED 26. AND SO I HEAR WHAT MR. COBB IS SAYING.

BUT PART OF THAT THESE HAVE HAD TREMENDOUS INCREASES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, LIKE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHICH ONES. AND I KNOW THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN KEEPING UP WITH THE TIMES. BUT A 2018, 2015, THOSE ARE BIG, BIG RAISES, YOU KNOW, OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS. WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A RAISE IN OFFICE FOR 24 YEARS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR SPECIFICALLY, BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT I MEAN, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE. I'M NOT REAL SURE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN I.T. DIRECTOR. WELL, THE THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, THE NEW ONE IS LESS

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ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. YEAH, I HEAR YOU. AND IF WE HAVE THE HR COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND THERE'S SOME UPDATES AS WE GO AT SOME OF THESE WERE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. YEAH. WE WERE UNDERPAYING THERE FOR A FEW YEARS AND WORKED DILIGENTLY ON THAT REPORT. AND THAT'S STILL THE REPORT THAT HR USES. CORRECT. THE SALARY STUDIES THAT YOU GET FROM THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE. THAT'S WHAT YOU BASE EVERYTHING ON. YES. OKAY. IS THERE A LINE ITEM FOR ANY OUTSOURCING THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR LEGAL? YES. FOR IT'S IN THE YEAH, IT'S IN THE SOMETIMES IT'S UNDER PROFESSIONAL FEES AND SOMETIMES IT'S A SPECIFIC LIKE NOT THE BOTTOM 70325 THAT PROFESSIONAL FEES ADMINISTRATION THAT 50,000.

WELL SOME OF THAT CAN BE ENGINEERING AND SOME OF THAT CAN BE LEGAL IF IT'S STUFF THAT THE CITY NEEDS. BUT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, HR, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO WE YOU KNOW, WE OUTSOURCE FOR THAT FOR POLICE. WE'LL HAVE TO WHEN THEY'RE HEARINGS AND SO FORTH. IS DOES THAT COME OUT OF POLICE OR OUT OF HR. IT VARIES. SO BOTH OF US IT'S A JOINT EFFORT. AND THEN I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE DIFFERENT. CATEGORIES. CAN WE HAVE THAT ONE. JUST THINKING ABOUT 70325 ALEC, I KNOW YOU LOVE MAKING MORE NUMBERS THAT COULD THAT PROFESSIONAL FEES CATEGORY BE BROKEN UP INTO ENGINEERING AND LEGAL OR SO THAT WAY WE GET ACCURACY. I MEAN OF THAT 50,000 WE'RE SPENDING ANOTHER 45,000 ON LEGAL. I WOULD THINK THAT MOST OF THE LEGAL STUFF WOULD BE OUT OF HR, WOULDN'T IT? NH WE'RE STILL DO YOU DO YOU WANT TO JUST SEE THE AMOUNT? MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ALL THE CATEGORIES, IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE IS TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF OUTSOURCING OVERALL. YES OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ESPECIALLY IN BY CATEGORIES, BY HOW MUCH LEGAL FEES ARE WE GOING TO DO IN PARKS AND REC. LEGAL. MAKE THAT A YOU KNOW WE ADDED OVERTIME BUT MAKE LEGAL FEES SEPARATE FROM PROFESSIONAL FEES OKAY. SO BACK TO THE QUESTION AT HAND, STEVE. YOU'RE ASKING THIS COUNCIL. THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT SALARY. YES, MA'AM. AND YOU'RE THINKING OF WHAT AMOUNT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT 118 19 FIVE 119 FIVE WAS THE NUMBER THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE FAIR. THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE MAYOR AND THAT'S THE CHIEF. AND IT'S LITERALLY DOUBLE THE WORK. I'M NOT I'M NOT ASKING FOR MY SALARY TO BE DOUBLED. I'M JUST ASKING FOR A FAIR ENHANCEMENT TO THE EXISTING SALARY. AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I THINK IT'S FAIR THAT IF THE CITY IS GOING TO ASK MORE TIME FOR YOU OR OF YOU THAT REQUIRES YOU TO FORFEIT YOUR PRIVATE PRACTICE IN THE MONEY THAT YOU BRING IN FROM IT. I THINK THAT IT'S FAIR FOR THERE TO BE AN OFFSET MONETARILY FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THE GAP. TECHNICALLY, IF WE TAKE THE SIX OUT OF EXPENSE TO GET THAT, ADD THAT INTO IT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT 16. 734 IS WHERE WE'RE THAT'S OUR GAP.

THAT'S THE DELTA. THAT'S OUR GAP. NUMBER 16 734. AND. I JUST SIMPLY SAY THAT I'D LIKE TO YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO FINALIZE ANYTHING. GET THE INFORMATION FROM JILL WITH WHAT COMPARABLE SALARIES ARE OKAY. FOR CITIES OF THIS SIZE WHO HAVE FULL TIME JOBS TO MAKE

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AND THE THE LOSS OF COMPENSATION HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT. SO, STEVE, QUESTION ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVING THE SAME ISSUE OR. WELL, SOME OF THE OTHERS HAVE DEPUTIES THAT THEY CAN JUST ASSIGN. YOU KNOW, I'M A ONE MAN SHOW AND I DON'T MIND DOING THE WORK. I JUST WANT TO BE FAIRLY COMPENSATED. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING. WE DON'T. THE ONES THAT GOT STUCK. JACKSONVILLE IS ONE PERSON. SHE HAD TO TAKE ALL OF THAT ON. MAUMELLE, I THINK IS THE SAME WAY. AND SO WE NEED TO SEE HOW THEY'RE HANDLING IT.

THANK YOU. MISTER, LET ME ASK YOU THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS IS A PRETTY VALID QUESTION.

WOULD YOU PREFER TO GO BACK TO PART TIME WITH YOUR PRIVATE PRACTICE OR CONTINUE THIS IN A FULL TIME STATE WITH NO PRIVATE PRACTICE? I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WHAT I'M DOING NOW.

I'M ENJOYING THE WORK. I ENJOY WORKING WITH THE COURT. I ENJOY WORKING WITH GRACE. SHE HAS AN INCREDIBLE STAFF AND I DON'T. I DIDN'T GIVE HER THE PRAISE OF THE NIGHT WHEN SHE GOT THE AWARD, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO HER TONIGHT. SHE RUNS A CRACKERJACK COURT AND MY ASSISTANT THAT IS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, TOLD ME EARLY ON THAT SHE ENJOYS WORKING HERE SO MUCH MORE THAN BEING IN ANY OTHER DISTRICT COURT, BECAUSE THIS ONE'S RUN SO WELL AND THE OTHERS ARE JUST NOT. YEAH. SO I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I JUST WANT JUST WANT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY. SO HERE'S THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE. YES WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THIS. SO YEAH LOOKING AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES YOU KNOW I KNOW IT'S IT'S ABOUT ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE AN ELECTED ATTORNEY. DO WE NEED TO MAYBE LOOK AT MAKING AND SPLITTING THE POSITION UP OR DOING IT WHERE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT AN ELECTED POSITION OR IT'S A IT'S A HIGHER POSITION. OH THAT'S RIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT DOING AS A, AS A COUNCIL. SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS THIS IS NOT AN ONGOING THING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF IF IT BECOMES A FULL TIME POSITION, NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO BE ELECTED AND LEAVE THEIR PRACTICE TO COME DO THIS FULL TIME FOR FOUR YEARS OR TWO YEARS. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE BASIS OF MY QUESTION.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. AND AND IT GETS A LITTLE I MEAN WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE. YES, BUT VERY MUCH SO. YOU YOU DON'T YOU'RE GOING TO GET WHAT YOU GET. AND FOR SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS CITY ATTORNEY. YES, THAT I THINK WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE, LIKE OTHER CITIES OF OUR SIZE, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE WE DO OUR LIST AND STEVE DECIDES, OKAY, I'M I'M READY TO STOP. I'M READY TO RETIRE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO SO. WE NEED TO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. WELL, WE'LL TELL YOU THAT I HAVEN'T MADE UP MY MIND ABOUT NEXT YEAR. I MEAN, I, I MAY I'M CONSIDERING RUNNING AGAIN. I'M THINKING ABOUT IT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL SO CAN THAT BE A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY? AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN GET YOU ALL THE INFORMATION AND WE CAN READDRESS THIS ON WEDNESDAY. YEAH. OKAY, I MEAN THURSDAY I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD AND AGREE TO PUT THE 6000 UP THERE TO THAT. YEAH I'VE I'VE MADE A NOTE IN MY BOOK. I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO EVERYBODY.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY IT'S IT'S STILL PART OF THE PAYROLL. IT'S JUST UNDER A DIFFERENT NUMBER. YES SIR. OKAY. YEAH OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. ALL RIGHT. AND JUST ONE MORE THING. WHAT ABOUT THE RETIRED CITY OR RETIRED? EMPLOYEES LIKE CITY COUNCIL AND CLERKS AND MAYORS AND ALL THOSE. EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, WE LOOK AT RAISING THEIR RETIREMENT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S WHAT WE THEY GET COLA ALONG WITH. I MEAN, CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT, BUT WE'RE KIND OF UNIQUE IN THAT. BUT IN TERMS OF YOUR RETIREMENT FOR YOUR CITY CLERK AND MAYOR AND SO FORTH, THOSE THINGS AUTOMATICALLY GET THE COLA. SO IT'S KEPT THE SAME COST OF LIVING. IT'S NOT STAGNANT. OKAY. BUT AS FAR AS THE CITY COUNCIL, WHERE IS THAT LINE ON HERE? CITY COUNCIL. IT'S. I DON'T SEE IT EITHER. MAYOR, CLERK OR DOES IT FALL UNDERNEATH? WELL, THAT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE IF IT FELL UNDERNEATH JUST BECAUSE I KNOW FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS IT WAS A VERY LOW AMOUNT. AND THEN I MADE A SUGGESTION AT ONE OF THESE AND GOT IT RAISED UP.

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YOU DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE BILL PAYOUT EVERY MONTH. IT'S ON THERE. YEAH I KNOW, BUT DIDN'T THAT REQUIRE THAT REQUIRE ME TO ADD IT ALL UP. MAYBE YOU WANT TO KNOW WHEN WHEN WERE THE LAST CHANGES. LIKE DID WE CHANGE IT FIVE YEARS AGO TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TO SEE THE LAST COUPLE OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'M NOT PLANNING ON RETIRING ANYTIME SOON, BY THE WAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. MOVING MOVING ON TO PAGE FIVE. THE THE FIRE DISTRICT STUFF IS EXACTLY THE SAME. THERE'S NO CHANGE. THE BIG THING THAT AND AND WE ASKED FOR CHARLES TO BE HERE IS THE GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE. MAYOR JOHN BACK THERE HAD HIS HAND RAISED.

YEAH. OH HE DID. OH SORRY. LAST PAGE ON PAGE FIVE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE. HEY, JOHN SAWYER, FIRE CHIEF, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU AND I'VE TALKED TO THE MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE LAST PLEA THAT FOR AN INCREASE, WE ALL KNOW COST OF LIVING HAS GONE UP. THINGS COST MORE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE'VE HAD SOME THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL THAT ARE GOING TO BE QUITE EXPENSIVE FOR US TO START REPAIRING, REPLACING SOME OF THOSE BEING FIRE TRUCKS. ONE OF THEM IS AN ACTUAL FIRE STATION THAT IS CITY OWNED. WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE A BULK OF THAT, IF NOT MOST OF IT, ONTO OURSELVES, AND REPLACE ANOTHER STATION FOR THE CITY. BUT WE ARE ASKING, YOU KNOW, LIKE I'VE I'VE MET WITH EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, MET WITH THE MAYOR FIRST TO KEEP HER IN THE LOOP THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO HELP TAKE UP SOME OF THE COST OF OUR PAYROLL SO WE CAN AFFORD TO START REPLACING BIG TICKET ITEMS, WHICH ARE FIRE TRUCKS, FIRE STATIONS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST EVERYDAY LIVING EXPENSES. CHIEF, I DIDN'T MEET WITH YOU. I DIDN'T GET A CALL, BUT I'M. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW COME THEN YOU DIDN'T PRESENT AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET? I GUESS, IS MY QUESTION. WELL, BECAUSE IN THE PAST, WE'VE ALWAYS MET WITH THE MAYOR. WE'VE NEVER MET WITH ANYONE FROM THE FINANCE, AND WE'VE ALWAYS JUST MET WITH THE MAYOR. SO THAT WAS MY FAULT. I WAS JUST FOLLOWING WHAT EVERYONE BEFORE ME HAS DONE.

AND SO. YEAH. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT MOST OF THE BUDGETS THERE, THEY HAVE GONE DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS POSSIBLE. BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE JUST PRESENT THE AS CLOSE TO THE THE BALANCE AS WE CAN. SO. I MEAN, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT US TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I THINK ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND TOO. AND MONICA CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M

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BUT YOU KNOW, WE DID GIVE. SOUNDS SIMPLISTIC TO SAY GAVE SOME MONEY, BUT WE WE WE HELPED THE ONE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT AND NOW THE GRAVEL RIDGE FIRE DISTRICT IS MOVING INTO A NEW BUILDING AND DOING SOME THINGS, AND WE BOTH HAVE MET WITH THEM. IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, NO, NOTHING. NOTHING WAS PROMISED.

NOTHING CAN BE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE MAY THEY MAY BE COMING BEFORE US WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, NEEDS THERE THAT I THINK WOULD BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER SINCE WE DID THAT FOR THE OTHER FIRE DISTRICT ALSO. AND Y'ALL JUST I JUST GOT A TEXT. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TALK MORE INTO THEIR MICS. WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK. SO IF Y'ALL CAN LIKE KYLE IF YOU'LL PULL YOURS LIKE CLOSER ON I'M SORRY. YEAH NO PROBLEM. JUST THAT WOULD HELP RIGHT OKAY. IF I HAVE A QUESTION OKAY. YES, MA'AM. DO YOU KNOW THE TWO? ARE NOT ON? I DON'T YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THE TWO COLUMNS? YES, MA'AM. ONE SAYS BUDGET ESTIMATE WITH A 3% TOTAL AND ONE SAYS NO COLA.

YES, MA'AM. SAME NUMBERS GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN. SO THERE MUST BE ONE OF THOSE. IS WRONG. NO.

HOW CAN YOU HAVE. WE DID NOT. WE DID NOT INCLUDE COLA IN TERMS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE JUST DID THE AMOUNT THAT BASICALLY THAT CAME THROUGH THAT WAS THE SAME AS LAST YEAR'S. IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO, THEN IT WOULD NEED A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE? WELL, I MEAN, NO MATTER WHAT WE WOULD I WOULD THINK, YEAH, I THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FOR JUST THE, THE LINE OF 70360, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $69,101.73. I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY AT LEAST GIVE THEM A COLA FOR BOTH FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICTS. ARE YOU ARE YOU DOING THAT ON THE FULL? BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THAT'S PAYROLL, RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S NOT ALL THAT. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T COLA NUMBERS RIGHT THERE. WELL I MEAN THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE BUDGET NUMBER HAS TOILET PAPER YOU KNOW. NO IT DOESN'T THEY ONLY PEOPLE. YES. THIS IS ONLY PEOPLE OKAY. WE DON'T PAY FOR THEIR TOILET PAPER BUT NO NO NO NO NO. JUST PLAYING WITH YOU, MEGAN. THE CITY ONLY THE CITY ONLY COVERS 27 PERSONNEL. OH, BECAUSE YOU GUYS GET THE PART OF IT IS BECAUSE Y'ALL GET THE AD VALOREM. YEAH, YOU GET ANOTHER CHECK. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. JUST LIKE MR. STEVE WAS EARLIER, OUR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY IS GOING ON 26 YEARS. AND IN THAT 26 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN ONE INCREASE NEGOTIATED INCREASE, I WOULD SAY, IN THAT CONTRACT IN THE LAST 26 YEARS. WILL YOU SPEAK TO THE AD VALOREM TAX? SO DID THAT GO UP? DID DID HOMEOWNERS HAVE AN INCREASE. THEY DID. THEY DID. WHAT WAS THAT PERCENTAGE. EIGHT EIGHT.

SO SO THAT PART OF YOUR BUDGET WILL INCREASE BY 8%. CORRECT. IT DOES LOOK LIKE Y'ALL HAVE GOTTEN LIKE BECAUSE IN 2024 YOUR ACTUAL WAS, YOU KNOW, 1.6. SO I MEAN THEY HAVE BEEN GOING UP. BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE WE DID A COLA RIDE WITH THEM RIGHT AS FAR. RIGHT. WE'VE GOTTEN A COLA RAISE. BUT AS FAR AS ACTUAL NEGOTIATED RATE INCREASE WITH THE CITY, THAT'S HAPPENED ONE TIME IN 26 YEARS. AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SPEAKING OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH OUR CONTRACT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A CITY ENTITY. WE'RE, AS SOME HAVE REFERRED TO US AS, WE'RE A BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF SHERWOOD IS A CUSTOMER. AND SO AS THINGS GO UP, COSTS GO UP.

WE HAVE TO GO UP ON OUR CONTRACT. SO, CHIEF, DO WE DO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF. WELL, YES.

I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE FUNDS TO, TO FUND NINE PEOPLE AND THAT'S $573,532.33. IS IT.

573 570 355 3233 I'M SAYING THAT NUMBER BEFORE. YEAH. ME TOO. DID YOU NOT MEET WITH EVERYBODY? NO, NO, I DIDN'T GET I WASN'T ABLE TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY I DIDN'T MEET. CAN YOU TELL US YOUR 8% INCREASE? HOW MUCH IS THAT ADDING TO YOUR OVERALL BUDGET? THAT'S USUALLY ABOUT 175,000. TOTAL OR TOTAL. ANNUALLY. SO THAT'S AN ANNUAL INCREASE OF 175. OKAY. SO HOW

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CORRECT. WOULD BE ABOUT ANOTHER 60 SOMETHING. AND THEN IF YOU WANT COLA ON TOP OF THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. WHICH IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, JUST KEEP IN MIND IT WILL COME OUT OF THE MOST LIKELY COME OUT OF THE RESERVES OR WE HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING ELSE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE COULD CUT. YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

CHIEF, CAN YOU TALK SPECIFICALLY AS TO WHY YOU WANT WHY WE'RE WANTING TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL NINE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOU? YES. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REFERENCE. YES. SO THE NINE WE WON A GRANT AND THAT GRANT EXPIRES NEXT YEAR. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO EXPIRE IN APRIL. AS SOON AS THE GOVERNMENT OPENS BACK UP I'LL FILE FOR AN EXTENSION. BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT GRANT EXPIRES IN APRIL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR US IF WE COULD GET SOME HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, TAKING OVER THAT GRANT, HELP FUNDING THAT ONCE THAT GRANT EXPIRES. DO YOU ALL WANT TO. THINK ABOUT THAT, DISCUSS IT, COME BACK, READDRESS OR HAMMER IT OUT RIGHT NOW? THE ONE THING I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD FROM FOUR DIFFERENT I MEAN, SO FAR WE'VE HEARD FROM TWO PEOPLE IN TWO BEDS FOR RAISES. I'D LIKE TO HEAR THEM ALL AND DECIDE HOW WE CAN DO IT, BECAUSE I AGREE. ADDING, ADDING, ADDING. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START RENTING OUT THE WELL AND OR SOMETHING ANOTHER, BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY FOR DISTRICT FIVE, RIGHT? CORRECT. THIS IS WE WOULD HAVE TO ALSO INCREASE, YOU KNOW. SO JUST WILL YOU SAY THAT AGAIN APRIL I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M TRACKING SHERWOOD'S UNIQUE THAT WE HAVE ONE FOOTPRINT BUT WE HAVE TWO FIRE DEPARTMENTS. THEY'RE SEPARATE BUDGETS, SEPARATE LEADERSHIP. AND SO HE'S SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE, THIS 1.7 MILLION ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE. TOP OF PAGE FIVE. DISTRICT NINE HAS THEY THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN INCREASE AS WELL. YEAH. GRAVEL RIDGE AND THAT AND AND COUNCIL MEMBER WADE IS THAT THAT'S WHO WE MET WITH. CORRECT. SO THIS IS THE SEPARATION OF THE TWO ENTITIES THAT WE GOT TO SEE FIRSTHAND.

OKAY. SO SO I'D SAY LET'S LOOK AT A PROPOSAL, WHAT OUR ASSETS ARE AND THEN COME BACK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN AFFORD. I AGREE TOTALLY LIKE THAT OKAY. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL JUST KEEP TRACK OF THESE. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE CONGRATULATIONS ALEX. AND WE'LL LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH A COLA AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE AMOUNT. AND THEN I GUESS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE EXTRA MEN AND THE COLA. OKAY. AND AND MR. COBBS ASKED ANY OTHER ASSET WE'VE ALREADY GOT HIS. YES, WE'LL WE'LL KEEP A RUNNING FULL OF IT. THANK YOU CHIEF. AND THEN MY. GOODBYE CHIEF. I KNOW, AND THEN WHAT? I'D ASK MISS ROSS ABOUT ABOUT ASKING ABOUT THE RETIRED CITY COUNCIL. YES, I GOT IT. OKAY, OKAY. GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE.

THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. SOMEBODY HERE? COME ON UP, CHARLES. OKAY. SO THANK YOU.

THERE SHOULD BE A JILL. DID YOU PUT SOMETHING IN THEIR PACKET BASICALLY SHOWING. NO. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. I CAN PASS IT AROUND. OKAY. SO SO THIS BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT IT WOULD HAVE COST.

HAVE WE NOT MADE THE CHANGES CORRECT. THE 2.6 MILLION THAT IS ON BASED ON BUDGETED POSITIONS. YES. IF WE DID NOT MAKE THE CHANGE THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE PAYING FOR 2026 ON BUDGETS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THAT WAS A BUDGET BUSTER. WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE. SO WE DON'T HAVE SHE CALCULATED UP FOR US. AND SHE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU GUYS A COPY OF THIS. BUT BASICALLY HAD WE NOT MADE THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE, WHICH IS WHY WE DID THEM THE HIT ON THE BUDGET INSTEAD OF IT BEING, YOU KNOW, JUST UNDER 1.6 WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS ON TOP OF IT. IT WAS GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY SIGNIFICANT. SO A LOT OF CITIES HAVE GONE TO THE

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OKAY. RECENTLY GLP ONE CAME OUT. WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THOSE. THERE'S A FEW OUT THERE, BUT I'LL PICK ON OZEMPIC. I THINK EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT. IT'S MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE THAN METFORMIN. IT'S ALSO A LITTLE OVER $1,000 A MONTH. SO NOW THAT IS THE MAIN TREATMENT FOR TYPE TWO DIABETES. SO WE WENT FROM A ROUNDING ERROR WITH WITH AN 8 TO $10 DRUG TO SOMETHING THAT TAKES UP TWICE WHAT A NORMAL PREMIUM WAS A FEW YEARS AGO. OKAY. THE SECOND THING THAT WE'VE HAD GO ON. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE NEWS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO, SEVERAL OF OUR MAJOR HOSPITALS, RECONTRACTED WITH ALL OF THE HEALTH CARRIERS, STARTED WITH BAPTIST. THEY CONTRACTED WITH BLUE CROSS AND THEN THE REST OF THE CARRIERS. UNITED HEALTH CARE ACTUALLY ENDED UP BEING OUT OF NETWORK WITH BAPTIST FOR ABOUT FOUR MONTHS, AS THEY KIND OF FOUGHT THAT OUT. BUT EVENTUALLY UNITEDHEALTHCARE HAD TO KIND OF SEE AND SAY, OKAY, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T LOSE BAPTIST IF YOU'RE IN CENTRAL ARKANSAS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO STAY COMPETITIVE AND LOSE BAPTIST. SO ONCE THAT HAPPENED, BAPTIST, THE OTHER HOSPITALS FOLLOWED SUIT. THEY CONTRACTED. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'LL RECALL, DURING COVID, WE SAW THAT THE TRAVEL NURSING PHASE KIND OF COME IN. AND I DON'T BLAME THE NURSES AT ALL, BUT THEY ALL STARTED TO MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY. WELL, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL, YOU SEE THEIR NURSES RUN HOSPITALS, RIGHT? THEY'RE FULL OF NURSES 24 OVER SEVEN. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE WANT THOSE NURSES TO BE WELL COMPENSATED, TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF US. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO PAYS THE FINAL FREIGHT, RIGHT? WE DO BECAUSE THAT COMES DOWN IN THE WAY OF PREMIUMS. ALL RIGHT, SO I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE GOT HERE. AND THIS IS WHAT MANY CITIES ARE DOING TO COMBAT THAT. A QUALIFIED HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT CAME ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO. IT'S REALLY MEANT TO DRIVE CONSUMERISM IN HEALTH CARE BECAUSE AS AMERICANS, WE'RE CONSUMERS OF ANYTHING. WE'LL SHOP FOR 30 MINUTES ON AMAZON TO SAVE $0.25 ON SHOELACES. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR HEALTH CARE, WE DON'T WE DON'T REALLY THINK LIKE THAT, RIGHT? WE JUST KIND OF THINK, OH, IT'S IT'S INSURANCE. IT COVERS IT. OKAY.

MRIS ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE. YOU MIGHT HAVE AN MRI THAT COSTS $600. THE SAME MRI MIGHT COST $1,300. WE'RE NOT TRAINED TO ASK, WELL, WHERE'S IT CHEAPER TO GET THAT MRI? WE JUST DON'T THINK LIKE THAT. DOCTOR SAYS, GO GET IT. YOU CAN GO OVER THERE AND WE GO AND WE GET THAT MRI. SO WHAT A QUALIFIED HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN DOES IS IT PUTS THAT CONSUMERISM INTO PLAY. IT DROPS THE PREMIUM QUITE A BIT. YOU'LL SEE. DID YOU PASS THESE OUT OKAY. YOU'LL SEE OUR ACTUAL TOTAL PREMIUM IS GOING DOWN ALL RIGHT WHICH IS RARE. THAT COULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE KEPT THE SAME HEALTH PLAN WITH THE COPAYS AND JUST KIND OF THE REGULAR SPIN, BUT IT WENT DOWN ENOUGH THAT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO PUT IN SOME MONEY TO A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. IF ANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNTS, HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT IS LIKE A FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNT ON STEROIDS. OKAY, FSA, YOU HAVE TO SPEND EVERY YEAR. YOU GOT TO USE IT OR LOSE IT. PROVISION TO IT, RIGHT? AN HSA DOESN'T. THAT MONEY GOES INTO A BANK ACCOUNT OWNED BY THE EMPLOYEE. THERE'S NO LIFETIME CAPS ON THAT.

THERE'S ANNUAL CAPS, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY HIGH. BUT YOU PUT THAT MONEY IN THERE EVERY YEAR. IT BELONGS TO THE EMPLOYEE. IF THEY QUIT, RETIRE OR FIND ANOTHER JOB, THEY KEEP THAT MONEY. IT BELONGS TO THEM. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE DROPPED DOWN THE PRICE OF PREMIUMS WE'RE SPENDING, SENDING LESS MONEY TO THE INSURANCE CARRIER. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE STILL SPENDING SOME OF THAT MONEY TO PUT THE CASH INTO THIS HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT THAT BELONGS TO THIS EMPLOYEE. AND THE HOPE THERE IS AND WE'VE SEEN IT WORK TIME AFTER TIME, IS THAT THE EMPLOYEES WILL THEN BECOME CONSUMERS OF THEIR HEALTH CARE. BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS ACTUALLY MONEY THEY HAVE, INSTEAD OF JUST MONEY GOING TO PREMIUM AND KIND OF DISAPPEARING INTO THE CLOUD, IT'S IN A BANK ACCOUNT THAT BELONGS TO THAT EMPLOYEE, AND WE HOPE THEY'LL CONTINUE TO SHOP. MANY CITIES HAVE GONE THIS ROUTE. CITY OF CABOT ONLY OFFERS THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN AT THIS POINT. CITY OF SEARCY ONLY OFFERS A

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WE DIDN'T PUT ANY EMPLOYEE PAID INFORMATION ON HERE. OKAY, SO THIS SECOND COLUMN, SECOND COLUMN, EMPLOYER COST PER MONTH. YES. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT. SO FOR THE EMPLOYEE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN THEY GO ON. JUST A YOU KNOW THEY HAVE THE FLU AND THEY GO TO THE DOCTOR. HOW MUCH IS THAT COSTING THEM OUT OF THEIR POCKET THEN. SURE. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WITH THE QUALIFIED HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN, THE WAY THE IRS WROTE THAT THERE CANNOT BE ANY FIRST DOLLAR COVERAGE, SO THERE'S NOT A CO-PAY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE. SO WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS A $20 CO-PAY. IF THEY WENT AT JT'S, WE HAD THE SAME OPTION TO HAVE A CO-PAY PLAN OR A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN. FOR OVER 20 YEARS, MY FAMILY SELECTED A QUALIFIED HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU ON ALL DOCTORS EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS. BUT I LIVE IN CABOT. GERRY HARVEY'S MY DOCTOR. OKAY? IT COST ME $80 TO GO SEE HIM BECAUSE WE STILL GET THE NETWORK DISCOUNTED RATE.

RIGHT. SO THAT THAT DOES GO UP BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING THAT FULL FREIGHT INSTEAD OF HAVING THE CO-PAY. BUT THAT'S WHERE THE $1,300 THE HSA COMES IN. BUT I WILL SAY THIS ALL WELLNESS IS STILL COVERED AT 100%. THAT'S PART OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, RIGHT? SO ANYTHING CODED AS WELLNESS, THE EMPLOYEE STILL PAYS NOTHING FOR. ALL RIGHT. AND AS PART OF THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, WHICH RECENTLY PASSED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, NOW TELEMEDICINE CAN ALSO BE INCLUDED AT $0. SO WE DO HAVE LYRIC AS PART OF OUR HEALTH PLAN, THAT ALL EMPLOYEES AND THEIR DEPENDENTS GET ACCESS TO. SO EVEN IF THEY'RE ON THIS HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN AS AN EMPLOYEE, THEY CAN USE TELEMEDICINE AT ZERO COST AS WELL. THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS YOUR MAXIMUM IS LESS THAN IT WAS WITH THE OTHER PLAN. SO YOU KNOW, WHEN IT KICKS IN AND AND SO FORTH WITH IT. SO IT WAS A GOOD BALANCE. WILL YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN? SO THE CITY'S GOING TO COVER THE PREMIUM AND THE CITY'S PUTTING IN HOW MANY DOLLARS PER MONTH INTO THEIR HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. 1300 OH PER MONTH. WELL SO 1300 A YEAR, 1300 A YEAR, WHICH IS SO WE WE THIS FIRST YEAR THAT WE'RE DOING IT, WE WERE TRYING TO THINK OF THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.

THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE EMPLOYEE INITIALLY UP FRONT, 325 AT THE BEGINNING, THE FIRST DAY OF EVERY QUARTER. SO THAT'LL BE JANUARY, APRIL, JULY. AND THEN THEY'LL GET THEIR LAST 325, THE FIRST PAY IN OCTOBER. SO IF IT'S AN EMPLOYEE THAT LET'S SAY IS A HEALTHY EMPLOYEE, MAYBE GOES TO A DOCTOR ONCE A YEAR, YOU KNOW, NOT A WELLNESS, THIS WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON THEM IS THAT THEY'LL MAKE MONEY. YEAH. THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE BETTER OFF AND

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ANYWAY. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD I WAS REMISS EARLIER, AND I APOLOGIZE ONCE THE DEDUCTIBLE HAS BEEN HIT, THAT $2,500. THEN FOR THE PHARMACY SIDE, NOT THE NOT THE PRIMARY CARE DOC, BUT THE PHARMACY SIDE, THE COPAYS DO COME BACK IN OF TEN, 30, 50, JUST LIKE THEY WOULD ON ANY MUNICIPAL HEALTH PLAN. SO SO THEY'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME PHARMACY COPAYS. SAY THAT AFTER ONCE YOU HIT THE BALL IS HIT, THEN PHARMACY CO-PAYS CAN COME BACK. WE CAN'T HAVE ANY CO-PAYS ON A QUALIFIED HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN, OR IT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. OKAY. AND THE DEDUCTIBLE AGAIN WAS 2500. SO OKAY. THEY GOT TO SPEND $2,500.

THEY'RE PAYING FULL PRICE FOR PRESCRIPTIONS UNTIL THEY HIT 2500. THE NEGOTIATED DISCOUNT PRICE. YES. BUT AGAIN THE FIRST 1300 OF THAT IS IS CAPPED NOW. IT WILL BE A MIXED BAG. SOMEONE WILL COME OUT WORSE OFF ON THIS PLAN THAN THAN THE COPAY. BUT I BELIEVE ACROSS THE BOARD, THE MAJORITY OF OUR EMPLOYEES WILL PROBABLY COME OUT MUCH BETTER OFF AND WE'RE NOT SPENDING THE ADDITIONAL $1.2 MILLION, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD ON SOME FOLKS, I THINK. SO MEDICINE, ESPECIALLY IN THE IN THE FIRST PART OF THE YEAR.

WELL, THAT YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE WERE DOING THE, THE THE THREE. YEAH. THE 325 AT THE, THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INSTEAD OF GOING EVERY SINGLE MONTH, WE'RE KIND OF FRONT LOADING IT ON IT. SO TO HELP WITH THAT. SO IT'S A BETTER IDEA. MAYBE I'M JUST SPITBALLING HERE, BUT TO DO MAYBE INSTEAD OF QUARTERLY DO IT SEMIANNUALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MORE SICK IN THE WINTER TO MAYBE FRONT LOAD THAT I KNOW YOU RUN THE RISK OF EMPLOYEES LEAVING. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE KIND OF BALANCE THAT BECAUSE THEY THEY CAN WALK AWAY WITH IT.

THEY DON'T. THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO PAY IT BACK. SO WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DISCUSSED IT, WE FIGURED THAT WAS KIND OF A HAPPY MEDIUM WITH IT AND THAT IT WOULD BE A SAFER BET TO DO IT QUARTERLY. WE STILL MAY BE OUT SOME, BUT. CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE 1300? IS THE FIRST 1300 IS CAP. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT? WELL, I'M SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING THE EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO GET $1,300 FROM THE CITY OF SHERWOOD INTO THAT HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. SO OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, NOT FRONT LOADED. CORRECT. SO LIKE FOR SOMEONE WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MORE EXPENSIVE DIABETES MEDICATION, IF THEY NEED THAT THOUSAND DOLLAR PRESCRIPTION, THEY'RE OUT OF POCKET. THAT INITIALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THE EMPLOYEES ALREADY KNOW WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH AND DONE THE ENROLLMENT, SO THEY ALREADY KNOW. SO TO BE PREPARED IN TERMS OF THAT AND THEN HOW ARE THEY AND HOW THAT'S ALL TO KNOW. WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK. ARE THEY TAKING IT. IT'S IT'S BEEN ROUGH. BUT WHAT I HAVE EXPLAINED TO THEM AS BEST I CAN IN WHAT CHARLES AND HIS TEAM HAS EXPLAINED TO THEM AS BEST WE CAN. EITHER WAY, THEY WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT PAYING MORE MONEY BECAUSE THE CITY WE JUST WE HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT BEFORE YOU ALL PASS BUDGET EVERY YEAR. THIS HAS BEEN I'VE BEEN WITH MUNICIPALITIES FOR 20 YEARS. IT'S IT'S WE WILL NEVER GET IT PAST BUDGET BEFORE. WE HAVE TO HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BEST OF ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES. HOW COULD WE MAKE THE MAJORITY HAPPY AS WELL AS THE CITY WITH THE BUDGET? SO. EXPLAINING IT IS REALLY TOUGH TO SOME AND SOME TOOK IT A LOT HARDER THAN OTHERS. IT'S OVERALL THEY'RE NOT PAYING ANY MORE OF A COPAY THAN WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR BECAUSE OUR COPAY IS WE HAVE THE ENHANCED COPAY, WHICH IS $1,200. SO BY US

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YOU MAY NOT FSA ARE CONSIDERED FIRST DOLLAR COVERAGE BECAUSE THEY FRONT LOAD THOSE BECAUSE THE RISK. SO ON THE ON THE COPAY PLAN IS THEIR PRESCRIPTION COVERAGE ON THE COPAY COPAY PLAN OR IS IT ON THAT ONE? DO YOU STILL GOT TO PAY THE 2500 BEFORE IT PAY PLAN DID HAVE CO-PAYS AT THE PHARMACY OF TEN, 30, OR $50. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE OF. YES, SIR. SO THE BOTTOM LINE, I MEAN, YES, THIS THIS IS BAD. BUT IN MY JOB, IN THE REAL WORLD THAT WE WE WENT TO THESE PLANS LIKE TWO YEARS AGO. AND IT DOES SUCK IN THE BEGINNING, BUT WHEN YOU GET USED TO IT, YOU JUST GOTTA PLAN. YOU JUST GOTTA PLAN YOUR YOUR EXPENSES A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I THINK, LIKE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HEALTHY ARE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HEALTHY, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG EMPLOYEES.

THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT VERY WELL ON THIS, ON THIS PROGRAM. NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE CHRONIC HEALTH ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE THE COPAY PLAN, WHICH THEY SHOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME OUT OF POCKET. NOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY EACH MONTH IS GOING TO GO UP. BUT THEY SHOULDN'T. THE OUT-OF-POCKET FOR MEDICATIONS AND STUFF SHOULDN'T BE THERE. IT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT. HAD WE JUST RENEWED WITH THE COPAY PLAN FOR AN EMPLOYEE ONLY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ADDITIONAL $1,443.48 PER YEAR. YEP. OKAY. SO WE TAKE THAT AND LAYER IN THE 1300 THAT THE CITY'S ALREADY PUTTING IN AND IT'S OVER THE DEDUCTIBLE.

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YOU'RE GOING TO GET A RATE INCREASE. YES. 2 OR 3 YEARS IN A ROW. YES. THREE. WE'VE WE'VE HAD A ROUGH RUN. YES, MA'AM. THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME I'VE BROUGHT BAD NEWS INTO THIS ROOM, I KNOW I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TIME. I'VE ASKED YOU A QUESTION, BEVERLY. I'VE ASKED A QUESTION ALSO. I WANT YOU ALL TO HEAR ALEX'S EXPERIENCE, TOO. WITH A FAMILY OF FIVE. WERE YOU. WERE YOU DONE? WELL, I DIDN'T SAY I DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, I APOLOGIZE. I CHASED A SQUIRREL THERE. SO THE INCREASED PREMIUM IF IF WE TOOK THAT, THAT RENEWAL ON OUR COPAY PLAN WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ADDITIONAL FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY AN ADDITIONAL $1,443.48 A YEAR, WHICH THE CITY WOULD HAVE PAID. RIGHT? I MEAN, BECAUSE THE CITY PAYS ALL OF IT NOW, IF WE CONTINUE, IF WE CONTINUE WITH THE SAME WAY. SO THE CITY WOULD HAVE PAID THE PREMIUM BECAUSE THE CITY PAYS THE PREMIUM NOW. IF SO, IF THAT HAPPENED, YOUR YOUR ANALOGY, STILL THEY WOULD PAY MORE. WELL, SOME CITIES HANDLE IT LIKE THAT. AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH, WITH MANY OF OUR CITIES IS THEY REACH A POINT WHERE THEY CAN NO LONGER PAY 100%, AND THE EMPLOYEE THEN STARTS TO PICK UP THAT AMOUNT. AND THAT'S WHEN THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN JUST BECOMES AN ABSOLUTE NO BRAINER, BECAUSE YOU TAKE THE $1,300 AND STACK IT ON TOP OF THE $1,400, AND NOW YOU'RE ALREADY PAST THE DEDUCTIBLE AND COINSURANCE, AND YOUR COPAYS HAVE COME BACK. ON THE PHARMACEUTICAL SIDE, IF THE CITY OF SHERWOOD HAD THE MONEY TO CONTINUE TO PAY THESE RATE INCREASES, THEN YES TO THE EMPLOYEES. THE PREMIUM WOULDN'T AFFECT THEM. IT MIGHT GO INTO THEIR THEIR COLA RAISES. HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GUYS HAD FOR OTHER THINGS. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WHAT THE MONTHLY THE MONTHLY PREMIUM PER EMPLOYEE IN 2025 WAS. PER EMPLOYEE FIVE 40 MINUTES 75. SO IT WAS GONNA GO FROM FIVE 4973. DID YOU SAY TO 1443 TO 670 709? SO THAT'S JUST EMPLOYEE ONLY, NOT THE FAMILY. QUICK QUESTION. SO THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT PROPOSALS HERE. NO, NO PROPOSAL A FOUR DIFFERENT ANALOGIES. ANALOGIES OKAY. AND SO MY QUESTION IS I MEAN I'M THINKING ABOUT THE THE THIRD ONE, THE ACTUAL EMPLOYMENT DOWN THERE. THE THIRD ONE TALKS ABOUT THAT. WE WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING WHAT I'M SEEING THERE TO AN EMPLOYEE ONLY PLAN 677 909. IS THAT CORRECT? BUT IF THE EMPLOYEE HAS THEIR WHOLE FAMILY WITH THE CITY WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING 1525 FOR THAT PERSON. SO WE'RE PICKING UP THE FAMILY FOR ANY EMPLOYEE. WE'RE PICKING UP A PORTION OF THE FAMILY, JUST A PORTION, JUST THIS PORTION. OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS. OKAY. AND THAT LINE SAYS COPAY EMPLOYEES ONLY 144 PEOPLE. THEIR PREMIUMS FOR THE EMPLOYER'S SPENDING WOULD BE 677 09A MONTH. CORRECT? OKAY. IF THAT UNDER THAT SAME PLAN, IF THE PERSON TAKES A FAMILY PLAN WHICH HAS 34 PEOPLE, THE CITY WOULD PAY 15 2532. CORRECT. SO WHY ARE WE PRESENTLY PAYING DIFFERENT AMOUNTS FOR EMPLOYEE AND EMPLOYEE FAMILY? WE HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. YES. IT'S THAT BIG A DIFFERENCE. YEAH. YES. IT'S WELL, RIGHT NOW WE PAY. RIGHT NOW THE CITY PAYS US $779.25 FOR AN EMPLOYEE WITH FAMILY COVERAGE. THAT'S A VERY TOP LEVEL. OH, YES. YES. THAT'S CURRENT. SO IT'S EVERYTHING AT THE TOP. WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW. OKAY. YES. AND THE FAMILY IS THAT DOES THAT CAP OUT AT SO MANY KIDS OR.

IT'S. NO, IT'S FAMILY. WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE ONE PERSON ON IT OR TEN PEOPLE ON IT, IT'S BUT IT MAXES IN TERMS OF 7500. SO YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT FOUR KIDS IT'S 7500. IF YOU'VE GOT FIVE KIDS, IT'S 7500. IF YOU'VE GOT SIX KIDS, IT'S FIVE. SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THE IF THE IF ONE EMPLOYEE HAS ONE CHILD, THE CITY WAS GOING TO PAY 1525.

IF THE EMPLOYEE HAD FIVE CHILDREN, IT'S STILL GOING TO PAY. 15. YES. 25. YES. SO THE

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POSSIBILITY PLANS, PROPOSALS. YEAH. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT PROPOSALS. THEY'RE JUST SHOWING AN EVALUATION. WE JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO SEE WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW COMPARED TO WHAT OUR OPTIONS WERE. OKAY. AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE CONTRIBUTING IS IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL THE OTHER CITIES AND THIS IS I MEAN, THIS IS INEVITABLY WHAT ALL THE CITIES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO OTHERWISE. AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A SPLIT PLAN YOU COULDN'T HAVE HAD WHERE EMPLOYEES STAYED ON THE SAME. AND IF THEY CHOSE TO DO FAMILY COVERAGE, WHERE THEY GO TO THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN BECAUSE WHAT WHAT STINKS? I MEAN, I HAVE FIVE CHILDREN, SO I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT SUCKS ALL THE MONEY OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A 144 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GOING TO PAY MORE FOR, FOR, FOR THEIR PRESCRIPTIONS. AND THEN THERE'S 34 THAT MAYBE HAVE. SO THERE'S WAY MORE THAT DO NOT USE THE FAMILY COVERAGE PLAN. DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT IS ACCURATE. BUT FOR 2026 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY A BUNCH MORE EMPLOYEES GOING ON TO THE FAMILY PLAN. WAS IT AN OPTION TO SPLIT, LIKE TO HAVE EMPLOYEES IF THEY WANT TO STAY ON THEIR TRADITIONAL IF THEY DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, AND THEN FAMILIES GO TO THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN? NO, NO, NO, YOU'VE GOT TO BE FAIR ACROSS THE YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM WORKING FOR THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT FAMILIES. BUT ALEX TOLD THEM YOU'RE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. WELL, I YEARS AGO WITH A PREVIOUS EMPLOYER, THEY HAD OFFERED THIS AI PROGRAM AND IT WAS CALLED ASK ALEX. I KID YOU NOT, AND NOTHING TO DO WITH ME PERSONALLY, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CALLED. AND IT WAS BASICALLY IT ALLOWED YOU TO CRAFT UP ANY SCENARIO THAT PERTAINED TO YOU NUMBER OF CHILDREN, YOUR GENERAL HEALTH, THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND IT WOULD IT WOULD RECOMMEND A PLAN FOR YOU, WHETHER IT WAS HIGH DEDUCTIBLE OR THE PPO AND WHAT HAVE YOU. OBVIOUSLY, THE THE PAID PLAN WAS MORE EXPENSIVE. IF YOU CHOSE LIKE A PPO, IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT FOR WHATEVER SCENARIO I GAVE IT, I HAVE FIVE KIDS MYSELF. SO YOU KNOW, THE THE WELL-CARE VISITS AND THE LIKE, WHATEVER SCENARIO I GAVE IT, IF SOMEBODY GOT SICK, IF THEY HAD SURGERY, ETC. IT IT RECOMMENDED THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE I HAD BEEN PAYING FOR THE OTHER PROGRAM, THE OTHER PLAN. BUT AFTER ASKING ALEX, I, I WENT TO THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN AND OVER THE YEARS IT ADDED UP TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN BRACES AND EVERYTHING. AND I THAT IT'S MY MONEY. IT'S SAVED MONEY THAT OVER THE YEARS IT ACCUMULATES. SO I THINK THERE'S FOR ME AS WELL. THERE WAS A LOT OF FEAR OF GOING TO A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE. AND AS IT TURNED OUT, IT'S IT'S A GREAT PLAN.

AND WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, IT'S THE ONE I CHOSE BEFORE ANY CHANGE WAS MADE OR EVEN DISCUSSED. IT'S THE ONE I CHOSE BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. IT'S IT'S A REALLY GOOD PLAN AND TURNS OUT TO BE A TERRIFIC SAVINGS. TERRIFIC WAY TO SAVE. AND AS YOU SAY, IT NEVER EXPIRES. I LOVE THAT ABOUT IT. RIGHT. AND LIKE AN FSA, WHICH YOU HAVE TO SPEND THAT YEAR, THERE'S THERE'S A LIMITED TIME TO AN FSA. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT. I REALLY LIKE THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PROGRAM. SO YEAH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE PLANS AT ALL. SO I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING. SO TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.

THE CITY WILL PUT $1,300 INTO THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR THE PERSON. THAT'S THE ONLY MONEY THAT'S GOING INTO THAT ACCOUNT. UNLESS THE PERSON CHOOSES TO ELECT TO HAVE MORE DEDUCTED OUT OF THEIR CHECK, CORRECT? YES. BUT THE PERSON COULD DO THAT, AND THEY COULD ELECT TO PUT MONEY IN TAX FREE, NO STATE FED OR FICA. RIGHT. AND THEY COULD ADD TO THAT AS WELL. WHAT HAPPENS? JUST CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENS IF THE EMPLOYEE LEAVES AND THEY HAVE A SELF SAVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT TIED TO THAT POLICY ANY LONGER. IT'S NOT.

IT'S A BANK ACCOUNT TIED TO THAT PERSON. IT'S AN ACTUAL BANK ACCOUNT WITH A DEBIT CARD.

THEY CAN PAY THE RENT OR ANYTHING THEY WANT TO. NO NO NO NO NO. IT'S BOUND. NO. YEAH.

IT'S IT'S TAX ADVANTAGED. BUT IF YOU USE IT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN MEDICAL PURPOSES

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SO A LOT OF TIMES Y'ALL TALK IN LINGO THAT I HAVE NO IDEA. AND I SMILE AND NOD AND TRY TO LEARN, BUT THIS IS MY JAM. SO I GUESS A PERSPECTIVE THAT I HAVE IS I GET WHERE THE UNHEALTHY PEOPLE WOULD CHOOSE THE LOW DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, RIGHT? BUT I KIND OF LIKE THAT IF THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT, LIKE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO BE TURNING THIS PLAN OUT SO THEY COULD COME UP WITH A SAVINGS AND THEY COULD GET SOME MONEY IN A SLUSH FUND TO PREPARE FOR IT. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE FOR NEXT YEAR AT RENEWAL. SO THEN THEY'VE GOT AN OPTION COME THE FIRST OF THE YEAR TO GET THEIR MEDICATIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING A LOAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, GIVES THEM MORE TIME TO PREPARE FOR THAT HIGHER DEDUCTIBLE. DID DID YOU YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT INSULIN AND THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE AND. MAYOR THAT'S ACTUALLY FOR GLP ONE. THAT'S FOR TYPE TWO DIABETICS, NOT TYPE ONE INSULIN DEPENDENT. YES. UNDER THE HERO PROGRAM, THROUGH MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, YOUR GLP ONES. IF PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM IT GOES TO A $0 CO-PAY.

THOSE THOSE DRUGS ARE GIVEN TO THE MEMBERS AT NO COST. AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST COMMONLY HIGH PRICED DRUG THAT IS USED THE MOST. SO THAT SHOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU. SO ONE NO THIS IS TYPE TWO. TYPE ONE. TYPE ONE. YEAH. SO COUNCILMAN TREATS POINT. YOU MADE ME THINK. SO I KNOW YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE QUARTERLY 333 WHATEVER. IS THIS SOMETHING COULD WE CONSIDER SINCE WE'RE JUST JUMPING ON THIS GOING TO HEAVEN GIVEN THE 1300 FRONT IN JANUARY, SO THAT IF WE DO HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY GOT THESE PRESCRIPTIONS, THEY GET THAT. I'M AFRAID. I'M AFRAID THAT OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WADE SAID EARLIER IS IF SOMEONE LEFT THE CITY, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE MONEY.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY THAT MONEY'S LOADED ON THE FRONT END. EVEN THOUGH I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR THESE EMPLOYEES, I REALLY DO. I EMPATHIZE WITH THEM, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE. THIS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN I KNOW THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW DID THEY FEEL? WHAT WERE THE HOW DID WHAT WERE THEIR THOUGHTS? I GOT SOMETHING TO THAT WHEN YOU FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. BUT I THINK THAT THAT WE'VE RUN INTO A RISK IF WE PRELOAD THAT 1300 ON THE FRONT END AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. SO MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS I'M WITH YOU. I AGREE, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE'RE BUDGETING THE 1300 ANYWAY. SO IF IF THE IF THE EMPLOYEES TAKE IT WE BUDGETED IT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE LOSING MONEY. IT'S THE MONEY GIVEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER 1300, BUT IS THE MONEY GOING TO THEM OR ON THE ON THE CAR. IT GOES TO THEM ON THE CAR. SO IF THEY GET A NEW POSITION OR THEY LEAVE THE CITY, THEN THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR INSURANCE ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS.

THEY, THEY KEEP THE 1300. I UNDERSTAND THE MONEY THAT GOES INTO AN HSA THAT IS AN ACTUAL BANK ACCOUNT IN THAT EMPLOYEES NAME. THERE IS NO RECOURSE TO GET THE MONEY BACK FROM THAT EMPLOYEE. IT ABSOLUTELY BELONGS TO THEM. ONCE IT'S BEEN DEPOSITED. IS THERE NOT A LEGAL WAY? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO I WASN'T DOING THAT. OH THANK YOU. NO. IF YOU DID FRONT LOAD IT TO SOMEHOW IF SOMEBODY I MEAN LIKE I'M SORRY BASICALLY WHERE WHERE THEY. OH THAT IT'S NOT A ZERO BALANCE TO THE END OF THE YEAR. SO IF SOMEBODY DID LEAVE, PART OF THAT COULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THAT LAST PAYCHECK. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LEGAL WAY TO DO THAT. NO. BELONGS TO THEM, THREE TIMES BELONGS TO THEM. OR CAN I JUST MAKE A REQUEST THAT BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW, OUR FAMILY SITUATIONS OF OUR EMPLOYEES, I DON'T KNOW THE MEDICATION THEY'RE ON? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO AND I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE TIME TO EVEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT OPEN IF WE'RE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE 1300 FOR ALL ON THE FRONT END, IF IF WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT IS HAVING FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES TO

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IF WE DO HAVE AND WE WILL HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT THAT HAVE A HARD TIME. IS THAT NOT TAXED? NOT ALONE? NO. IT COULD BE TAX FREE BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY IT BACK. IT'S TAXED. YES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE A. CHARLES IN THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. ARE YOU SEEING SORT OF LIKE THIS OR ANYBODY DOING FRONT END LOADING. I MEAN I KNOW THE RISK IS THERE. YES. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO'S COMPLETELY FRONT LOADING IT. I'LL PICK ON CITY OF CABOT BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT UP THE ROAD. THEY'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING CITY OF SHERWOOD IS DOING. THEY'RE DOING THE QUARTERLY LOAD UP. YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF WHERE WHERE YOU'VE LANDED IS KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE CITY OF SEARCY. THEY'RE ONLY DOING A MATCH UP TO $100, SO THEIR EMPLOYEES HAVE TO PUT SOME INTO THE HSA, OR THEY DON'T GET ANY DEPOSIT INTO THEIR HSA. SO THE THOUGHT PROCESSES ARE KIND OF ALL OVER THE MAP. CITY OF LITTLE ROCK IS MY LARGEST CLIENT, AND THEY'RE ONLY PUTTING $10 A MONTH INTO THE HSA. SO THE CITY OF LITTLE ROCK, WE DON'T NOT VERY GENEROUS OR NOT QUITE AS GENEROUS AS WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING BY 45 POSITIONS. IS THAT RIGHT? GOING FROM 100. WELL, I GUESS KNOW HOW MANY IS THAT? 144 TO 189. 100. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? THE 144 IS THE ACTUAL EMPLOYEE COUNT AT THE TIME. RIGHT NOW THAT IS THAT ARE ON OUR INSURANCE. THE 189 ARE THE POSITIONS BUDGETED THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. SO DOES THIS INCORPORATE A PLAN? LET'S SAY SOMEBODY GETS HIRED IN FEBRUARY OR SOMEONE GETS HIRED IN APRIL. THEY'RE GETTING THEIR 1300 PROPORTIONAL. YES, YES. AND IF THEY COME MID-QUARTER ARE THEY GETTING. YES OKAY. YEP. OKAY. I ACTUALLY STOLE CABOT'S SPREADSHEET TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL OF THAT. SO YES. THANK YOU. GOING TO NOW LOOKING AT THE BUDGET ITEMS ON PAGE FIVE ABOUT 4 OR 5 DOWN IS A GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE. AND WHAT IT SAYS THAT WE'VE SPENT THIS LAST YEAR WAS $1,000,654, WAS BUDGETED FOR GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE. AND IT'S PROPOSING ON THE OCTOBER 30TH $1.5 MILLION FOR GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE. AND I DON'T SEE ANY OF THESE PROPOSALS THAT HAVE 1.5 MILLION. SO Y'ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YES.

NO. YES, IT DRAW IT OUT IN A CRAYON, DRAW IT OUT IN A CRAYON. SHE'S SAYING THAT NONE OF THESE TOTALS MATCH WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING HERE. MATCH THIS 1.3 MILLION. THE NEXT ONE IS 1.9 MILLION. THE BOTTOM ONE IS 2.6 MILLION. BUT IN THE BUDGET WE'VE GOT A BUDGET ITEM WHICH IS 70380, A GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE OF 1.55593. YEAH. SO BASICALLY 1.6 WHEN, WHEN I BEVERLY WHEN I BUDGET THE ACTUAL BUDGET FOR THE PERSONNEL COSTS, IF WE HAVE 20 VACANCIES, I BUDGET TEN MAYBE FOR FAMILY COVERAGE, TEN FOR SINGLE COVERAGE. SO IT REALLY DEPENDS I WELL IT'S IT'S A PROJECTION. YEAH I LIKE PROJECTION MUCH BETTER. BUT YEAH. SO THAT THAT WOULD BE THE THE DIFFERENCE. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING THIS PROPOSAL RIGHT HERE. THE ONE THAT'S A 1.9. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. WHICH OF THESE ARE YOU PROPOSING IN THIS BUDGET. OH THE 2026 EMPLOYER SPEND THE SECOND. THE SECOND, THE SECOND ONE. THE SECOND ONE. YES. OKAY.

SO NOT THE ONES ACTUAL OR THE BASE. THAT WAS WHAT YOU PROPOSED. THAT WAS JUST FOR, FOR COMPARISON. AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL COST OF THAT WOULD BE 1.3 MILLION FROM WHAT

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SO WE ■WILL I WILL I DON'T THINK I WILL EVER BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN EXACT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HEALTHCARE IS GOING TO COST US NEXT YEAR. I DON'T AND I'M SORRY, I WISH I COULD, BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN. WHAT YOU GUYS, WE HAVE A LOT OF BUDGETS TO GO OVER. THESE ARE THE COSTLY ONES I, I KNOW. OKAY. ARE WE COMFORTABLE TO MOVE ON. SO ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT YOU HAVE 15,000 SET JUST FOR EXPENSES FOR TRAVEL. THAT'S LIKE FOR TRAINING. YOU KNOW THAT SHE'S GOT CLASSES THAT SHE THE CDI CLASSES THOSE TYPE OF THINGS CHARLES. THANK YOU CHARLES. CAN WE GO BACK UP A FEW LINES FROM THAT. YEAH OF COURSE. ADMIN VEHICLE EXPENSE.

ARE WE LOOKING AT PURCHASING A NEW VEHICLE FOR THE 18 DIFFERENT OR BECAUSE IT'S GONE FROM 2 TO 2020. YEAH. WHERE I'M SORRY I'M ON 735. ZERO ZERO. IT'S LIKE FIFTH FROM THE BOTTOM.

PAGE FIVE. PAGE FIVE. I'M ON PAGE FIVE. SORRY, I JUST HIT AN EXTRA ZERO. I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.

OKAY, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ME ADDING AN EXTRA ZERO IN THERE. NO, WE'RE NOT BUYING ANOTHER VEHICLE. OKAY. SO THAT THAT'S JUST A BIG JUMP FROM TWO TO IT IS 20 WITHOUT. RIGHT. YES. SO THAT MAY THAT MAY BE AN ERROR. YES. THAT'S PROBABLY 1800 OR 2000. RATHER NOT 20,000. MAYBE AN EXTRA ZERO IN THERE. YEAH. IT'S I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME AS IT WAS IN 2025.

AND THAT COVERS LIKE THERE'S ONE SHARED VEHICLE FOR OIL CHANGES TIRES. BUT IF THAT BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE THAT'S 18,000 WE JUST FOUND. YEAH. WAY TO GO, MEREDITH. THANK YOU. I'M JUST SAYING. EXACTLY. I'M TRYING TO FIND ALL THE TOP. NO, BUT THERE'S OTHER PLACES I KNOW THAT NEED IT, SO. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS A GOOD CATCH. THERE'S ONE HALF OF A FARM I KNOW. NOT REALLY. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE POLICE BUDGET, WHICH IS YOUR, YOU KNOW, SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT. THAT'S FOR WEDNESDAY NIGHT. OKAY. THURSDAY NIGHT. I'M SORRY I KEEP SAYING THAT, DON'T I? I APOLOGIZE. ALRIGHT. IF YOU'LL GO TO PAGE TEN HUMAN RESOURCES, THERE'S ONLY ONE BIG JUMP UP AND THAT'S ON YOUR OUTSIDE SERVICES. AND THAT'S THE BANK OAK AND THAT BASICALLY IT'S, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS PAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND IT WASN'T. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ITEM THAT'S GOING TO END UP GOING OVER. BUT THAT 60,000 IS THE BANK THE BANK OAK FEE FOR THE RETIREMENT. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE FAUBUS ATTORNEY AND THERE'S 2000. WHAT IS THE BANK OAK FOR. RIGHT. THE RETIRED THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MANAGE THE RETIREMENT FUND. THAT'S JUST THEIR FEES 90,000. NO, 60 60,000, 15,000 A QUARTER 90 BUDGET. RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN IT. ATTORNEY'S FEES AND YES, GO RIGHT AHEAD. WE HAVE BANCO ZK WHO MANAGES OUR 457. WE PAY THEM 15,000 A QUARTER. SO THAT IS 60,000. THEN WE ALSO PAY FOR SERVICE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY WITH FOUR OF US WHO HANDLES THE LEGAL SIDE OF OUR 457 PLAN. SO THOSE ARE HIS FEES. AND THEN I HAVE MISCELLANEOUS EMPLOYMENT ATTORNEY FEES THAT I HAVE TO PAY SOMETIMES OUT OF MY BUDGET. SO THAT'S SOME MISCELLANEOUS ON TOP OF OF THAT. AND WE THINK IT WAS JUST A TYPO LAST YEAR. IF YOU GUYS LOOK AT EVERY YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT I THINK 75 TO 90,000. SO WE THINK IT WAS JUST A SIMPLE TYPO LAST YEAR. SINCE WE'RE ON THIS REAL FAST, ARE WE ABOUT OUT OF THE OLD RETIREMENT. WE ARE DONE WITH THE OLD RETIREMENT. IT'S ALL BEEN PAID OUT THOUGH IT HAS. WE ARE 100% DONE WITH THAT. YES.

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YEAH. WITH POSTAGE JUST GOING UP. THAT'S A LINE ITEM THAT I'M LOOKING IN ALL THE AREAS. SO YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, $0.33 TO SEND ANYTHING ANYMORE.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, $5 TO SEND A PACKET. RIGHT. I AT THIS TIME I FEEL IT'S COMFORTABLE. OKAY.

ARE YOU GUYS GOOD. YOU'RE RIGHT. GOOD. YEAH. YAY, GRACE. YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. ALRIGHT. IT.

CAMERON, YOU'RE UP NEXT. WELCOME TO THE. AND THAT IS ON PAGE 11. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

GOOD EVENING. HI, CAMERON. HI. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS LIKE THINGS LIKE REC DESK FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ARE ACTUAL SOFTWARE IT THINGS OR TAKING IT OUT OF PARKS AND PUTTING IT IN IT BECAUSE IT'S IT YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF PARK. SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE NEW PROGRAM, THINGS THAT ARE LIKE THE PROGRAMS THAT WE GO TO THE GYM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, OKAY, WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF MAKING IT MORE ORGANIZED VERSUS IT BEING CAMERON STUFF BEING SPRINKLED ALL OVER THE PLACE. I MIGHT BE GETTING HUNGRY. ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FOR CAMERON? NOW HE IS ON SALARIES. WE ARE ASKING FOR A LARGER THAN COLA ON HIS TWO IT SUPPORT, AND ALSO FOR DEPARTMENT HEAD. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE IN THAT IT WORLD IN ORDER TO KEEP YOUR PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE SHOWN THEIR WORTH AND THEY'VE THEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR TRAINING AND WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO. SO IT'S JUST WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEM NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THEM FULLY TRAINED. SO WE'RE JUST GETTING THEM UP TO THAT KIND OF ANSWERS ON THE ON THAT PAGE IT TALKS DEPARTMENT HEAD PAGE. YES, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ON THERE. BUT AT THE VERY END I WAS LOOKING AT THOSE RAISES BECAUSE YOU HAD EXACTLY ONE, TWO, SIX DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT YOU PROPOSED GIVING RAISES DEPARTMENT HEADS. AND YOU KNOW, CAMERON BEING ONE AND HIS STAFF. BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT THOSE RAISES GO FROM A 3% RAISE TO 20% RAISE. IS THAT WHAT WAS THE WELL AS TO WHY SOMEONE'S GETTING A 6% RAISE? I'M GIVING YOU A 20% RAISE. YOU'RE GETTING SEVEN, BUT YOU'RE GETTING A NINE. WELL, SO FOR EXAMPLE, ALEX, THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT UPON, YOU KNOW, HIRING HIM IN ON THE IT THAT'S I MEAN BASICALLY THAT PUTS HIM WITHIN HIS KIND OF JOB CATEGORY. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT RATE STUDY ON THAT AND THEN IT YOU'VE GOT THE TWO PEOPLE, THEY STARTED OFF NOT DOING THE SAME LEVEL JOB, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THE SAME LEVEL JOB NOW FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO IT'S PUTTING THEM AT THE SAME PAY LEVEL. THEY'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME JOB. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ONE INCREASING MORE THAN THE OTHER IN TERMS OF SHELBY AND LORNE. THEY HAVE BOTH PICKED UP

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THE PERSON THAT WAS FILLING THAT POSITION. AND NOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE REFILLING THAT POSITION AT ALL, HE'S TAKING ON PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT PERSON. EXCEPT FOR THE STORMWATER, EXCEPT FOR STORMWATER, BECAUSE HE'S NOT CERTIFIED IN THAT. SO HE DESERVES TO BE COMPENSATED FOR TAKING ON PRETTY MUCH A WHOLE NOTHER JOB. SO I ELIMINATED THAT POSITION. AND GIVING THESE RAISES, DOES THAT BALANCE OUT? IS THAT, NO, WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL LOWER. I MEAN IT HELPS. SO THIS YES SIGNIFICANTLY.

THAT'S WHAT WE WE BECAME MORE EFFICIENT OKAY. ANY OTHER SUPPORT CENTERS. I'M THE MOST EFFICIENT EMPLOYEE. YOU HAVE DID THAT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS. IF NOT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT BUDGET OKAY. NEXT. IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? I DON'T WANT TO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

CAMERON. NEXT UP YOU'VE GOT ENGINEERING PERMITS AND PLANNING. AND THAT IS PAGE NINE.

YOU DO HAVE ONE CAPITAL VEHICLE A CAPITAL DISBURSEMENT IN THERE. AND THAT IS FOR ONE VEHICLE THAT IS A TRUCK THAT THAT IT'S REPLACING A VEHICLE THAT IS FROM 2012 HAS OVER 100,000 MILES ON IT AND IS CONSTANTLY IN THE SHOP. SO. HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK IN THAT DEPARTMENT? YES. IN ENGINEERING AND PLANNING WE HAVE 12 FULL TIME, BUT WE'RE NOT BUDGETING FOR TWO OF THOSE FOR 2026. SO WE'RE GOING TO FILL TEN POSITIONS. WE WILL HAVE TEN POSITIONS FILLED.

SO THAT'S TEN FULL TIME AND NO PART TIME. CORRECT. WHY ARE WE AND WE WE'RE NOT CUTTING POSITIONS. WE'RE JUST NOT BUDGING IT FOR 2026. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS. BUILDING INSPECTOR TWO AND WELL THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE STORMWATER PERSON.

YES. AND THEN JUST TO ADD TO WE ARE NOW THE FULLEST. WE'VE BEEN IN YEARS FOR BUILDING INSPECTORS. SO WE NOW HAVE THREE BUILDING INSPECTORS. SO AND WE STILL NEED A CITY ENGINEER. YEAH. WHERE ARE WE ON THAT. WE ARE NOWHERE ON THAT. IT IS. IT IS CLOSE TO IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND SOMEBODY. A LOT OF CITIES HAVE GONE TO OUTSOURCING FOR THAT. BUT WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK. IT'S ALL WE CAN DO. WHAT'S THE BIG DECREASE IN PROFESSIONAL FEES? THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. AND 70325. YEAH. WELL IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE THE REASON WHY WE REDUCED THAT DOWN IS BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAD SPENT VERSUS BUDGETED, SO UNDER PROFESSIONAL FEES AND 2024 WAS, YOU KNOW, 4006, 79, WE HAD BUDGETED 159. WE SPENT WE'VE SPENT MORE THIS YEAR. THE 16 250 WE HAD BUDGETED 125. WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE NEEDED THAT MUCH IN THERE. SO WE WE'VE BEEN SAFELY REDUCING IT DOWN. SO IS THIS WHERE WE'RE PAYING THE CONSULTING ENGINEER AND THE CONSULTING PLANNER? BETWEEN THAT AND CONTRACT LABOR WOULD

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200,000. NO WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T. YEAH. WE HAVEN'T SPENT A TOTAL. AND SOMETIMES THAT'S FOR, YOU KNOW, CAN BE FOR GRANTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS AS WELL. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MORE THAN JUST AN ENGINEER. THAT'S ALSO JAMES WALDEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO'S PHENOMENAL. SHE'S NOT FULLY CERTIFIED. AND IT HELPS HER TREMENDOUSLY TO HAVE THE BEST PLANNER IN THE ENTIRE STATE. HE WORKS FOR ALMOST ALL THE CITIES AROUND HERE IN TERMS OF DOING CONSULTING PERSONALITY.

NO, I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING AND IF YOU LOOK AT BEFORE THAT WE USED WHAT THE WHAT WAS THAT GENTLEMAN'S NAME? HE USED TO DO THE PLANNING. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A CONSULTANT. OH, I KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYWAY. YES, BUT OVERALL, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT. NO. YEAH, THERE WAS ONE. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE IN BETWEEN THERE OLDER GENTLEMAN. BUT ANYWAY, THERE YOU GO. I WAS I KEPT THINKING OF JAMES INSTEAD OF JIM. ALEX, HAVE WE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IN THAT LINE ITEM, WE'RE ONLY AT ALMOST 119. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND ANOTHER 60,000 BY THE END OF THE YEAR, DID YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LINE ITEMS LIKE THAT THAT ARE KIND OF AT THE END OF THE YEAR, PUTTING THEM BACK SO WE CAN PUT THEM BACK IN 26? YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IN 2025 WILL WE PROBABLY NOT HAVE SPENT ON STUFF LIKE THAT? SO AS YOU CAN SEE, I KEPT IT AT 200,000 BECAUSE IT'S IT'S HARD TO SAY RIGHT NOW. WE'RE NINE MONTHS INTO THE, INTO THE YEAR. I, I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING TO COME IN IN THE FOURTH QUARTER.

OH YES. SO WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE QUARTER TO GO. YEAH. I WAS THINKING YEAH. SO WE TRIED TO TRIM WHERE WE COULD, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO. YEAH. IF THERE WAS A QUESTION. YEAH. I JUST WONDERED IF WE KIND OF KNEW HOW MUCH WE THOUGHT WE HAD BUDGETED OVERALL BUT WEREN'T REALLY SPENDING. IT'S IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY PER DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BILLS COME IN. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION, I'VE GOT MY LIST OF RIGHT AT, YOU KNOW, $600,000 SO FAR ON THE ASK. AND I WAS THINKING, WHAT COULD WE CUT FOR THIS EXTRA $600,000? SO, YOU KNOW, CAN WE CUT OUT SOME OF THAT $200,000 CONTRACT LABOR? WE'LL TAKE SOME OF THAT STUFF TO FUND. WHAT'S THE ASK THAT WE GOT HALFWAY THROUGH. SO, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO ALSO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, I SENT YOU GUYS THE EMAIL, WE DIDN'T GET THE R DOT GRANT FOR THE HENSON TRAIL. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE BOND INITIATIVE.

BUT OCCASIONALLY WE WILL APPLY FOR GRANTS FOR ENGINEERING, FOR EXAMPLE. AND WE'LL STILL NEED OUR 20% TO COME OUT OF THERE. AND SOMETIMES FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF THE GRANTS, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE IT'S NOT 100%. AND THERE'S USUALLY SOME ENGINEERING THAT COMES WITH IT.

SO I JUST WANT US TO BE CAREFUL IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT WE DON'T SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT TO WHERE BECAUSE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO. WE DO FEEL LIKE WE I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT PAST BUDGETS AND YOU LOOK AT THIS BUDGET, THIS IS A VERY TRIM BUDGET IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. FINANCE. ALEX, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR DEPARTMENT? SO THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR, WHAT PAGE OF PAGE SEVEN. INCLUDING COLLOIDS IN TOTAL 645,000, WHICH IS DOWN FROM WHAT WAS BUDGETED LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS 960,000. THE DIFFERENCE COMES DOWN TO CAPITAL DISBURSEMENTS. THAT $350,000 BUDGETED LAST

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SO I THINK THIS YEAR IT'S SAFE TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE PROBABLY BY NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THERE IS A LEAD TIME REQUIREMENT. WE'LL HAVE TO BUDGET NEXT YEAR FOR IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY YET. AND SO THAT IS THE DRIVER IN THE REDUCTION IN THE OVERALL BUDGET FROM 960 TO 9 4645. EXCELLENT JOB ALEX. YOU SAID 29 IS WHEN THE SUPPORT. YEAH, THAT'S WHEN THEY STOPPED SUPPORTING IT. BUT IF WE BUDGETED IT WHY DIDN'T WE GO AHEAD AND DO IT IN 25. YEAH. WELL WE OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR LEFT. AND SO WHEN WE BROUGHT IN ALEX I WANT HIM TO PICK A DIFFERENT WHATEVER. SO THERE'S LOTS OF SOFTWARE OPTIONS. AND SO HE NEEDS TIME TO RESEARCH AND FIND WHAT HE THINKS IS THE BEST PRODUCT FOR HIM AND HIS DEPARTMENT. I DIDN'T WANT TO ENCUMBER HIM BY WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED. THAT'S NO LONGER WITH US, BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE THINGS. IS THIS GOING TO CONTINUE TO IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO TAKE CREDIT CARDS? NOW WE'RE TAKING CREDIT CARDS NOW. NO, THIS IS MORE LIKE OUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. OKAY. PAYROLL. YEAH. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS NOT DOING THIS NOW WAS GOING TO AFFECT ANY OF THAT EVERYWHERE NOW. YEAH. HARMON. YES, MA'AM. YEP.

WE HAVE BEEN FOR MONTHS NOW. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO REC DESK. SO BUT THAT'S WITH THAT SOFTWARE THAT WILL GO BACK INTO RESERVES. I MEAN, THIS 350. RIGHT? YEAH. UNSPENT. OKAY. SO ON THE PREMISE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS WAS JUST MENTIONING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIND 600,000 FOR WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S THREE. NO, NO. OKAY.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN PULLED. IT'S ALREADY BEEN PULLED. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND, I MEAN, THE COAL IS ALMOST $600,000. AND WE TYPICALLY WANT TO GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES A COST OF LIVING RAISE. OKAY. NEXT UP WE'VE GOT FACILITIES MAINTENANCE. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE KIND OF WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE. SEAN WAS DOING, YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE STUFF. BUT AND HE KNEW THAT IN BUT THEN BLAKE WAS BEING HELD AT HALF THE NO ALL THE MAINTENANCE STUFF AND HE KNOWS THE RUNNING OF PARKS AND REC, THE, THE PERSONNEL AND AND SO FORTH. SO WE KIND OF THE WHERE'S THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET? IT IS 2020 OKAY. SO 20. YEAH.

FOR FOR CLARITY WE WE'VE SPLIT THOSE TWO UP SO THAT THAT WAY IT'S EASIER FOR EACH OF THEM IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO CONTROL AND MAINTAIN THEIR OWN BUDGET. IT WASN'T FAIR FOR LIKE BLAKE TO LIKE, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT EVERYTHING THAT SEAN'S DOING ON THE MAINTENANCE. AND BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HIS SPECIALTY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD YOU CREATED. YES. AND THAT'S ON THE ON THE DEPARTMENT HEAD LIST? YES. YEAH. NOTHING CHANGED ON HIS STUFF. IT'S JUST WE'RE JUST SPLITTING THAT UP, WHICH IS PROBABLY LONG OVERDUE WITH THE CITY OUR SIZE. SO, SO PAGE 20. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. YEAH. AND SO THE, THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UNDER SEAN CURRENTLY THEY STAY UNDER SEAN. SO IT JUST ONCE AGAIN IT JUST KIND OF SPLITS APART. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY LIKE THE THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE. HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THAT. COUNT ME NINE. BUT THERE'S NO SALARY ON THIS BUDGET OF ANYBODY. YES.

HIS SALARY IS ON THE ON THE OTHER PAGE. NINE FULL TIME. YEP. AND IF IF YOU'LL SEE ONE OF THE CHANGES WAS A JANITORIAL CONTRACT BUILDING MAINTENANCE, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH A AN EMPLOYEE FULL TIME BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH BUILDINGS. AND THAT WAY ACTUALLY TEN INCLUDING

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WITH NOTHING MAJOR HAPPENING OKAY. EXCEPT FOR A PUNCHING BAG. RIGHT. WHO WANTS A PUNCHING BAG? PUNCHING BAG IN THE GYM. WE COULD DO THAT. SHE NEEDS A PUNCHING BAG THIS YEAR. HE'S TIRED OF BEING THAT. NO. OKAY. THAT'S ME. OKAY, JUST A QUICK YES, MA'AM QUESTION. YOU KNOW THE REASON WE PUT OVERTIME ON ALL THE SALARIES I HAVE ADDRESSES ON THIS IS TO SEE IF WE ACTUALLY. BECAUSE THE OVERTIME SALARY IS SO MUCH BETTER SPENDING THAN WE NEED TO MAYBE HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE FOR THAT POSITION. SO HAVE WE STUDIED THOSE OTHER TIMES? I MEAN, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT MYSELF BECAUSE I JUST GOT THE PACKET LATE TODAY. BUT YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S NOT A IS THERE ANY PATTERN ANYWHERE THAT WE NEED TO KNOW. AND I EVEN TALKED TO CHIEF, THE BIGGEST ONE IS REALLY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT THAT'S PREDICATED THAT'S PREDICATED ON THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO COURT. AND SO THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH.

YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN PREDICT. NOPE. SO YEAH, PARK IS ANOTHER AREA. THEY HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE TO WORK. WE'VE WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS OF

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HOW MANY IS THIS PART, LIKE FULL TIME? HOW MANY? SO IT'S BROKEN DOWN. SO LIKE YOU HAVE THE HARMAN CENTER AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BALLPARKS. I'M THE PARK, I'M ON BILL HARMAN I'M SORRY. OKAY. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER. DO YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE AT THE HARMAN CENTER, OR DO YOU NEED TO OR CAN WE? I WAS WONDERING IF IT WAS BROKEN DOWN THAT WAY. YEAH. WHAT'S THE CONTRACT? LABOR. SO THAT PEOPLE WHO TEACH CLASSES. YEAH. OKAY.

SO THAT INCREASE IS OUT OF THAT AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH. YOU'LL SEE THEM ON YOUR BILL PAY EACH MONTH. IT SAYS YOU KNOW YOGA CLASS OR SOMETHING RIGHT. YEAH. THOSE PEOPLE. ALRIGHT. LET'S FLIP OVER TO 14. THAT'S MORE YOUR PARKS AND REC GENERAL OVERVIEW OF STAFF ON THIS ONE AT ALL. I JUST KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DID YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW MANY FULL TIME OR AT THE BILL? HARMAN SIX. SIX. SO MY ONLY QUESTION IS IN SPECIAL EVENTS, WHAT SPECIAL EVENTS? THAT'S LIKE THE 3RD OF JULY EVENT, WINTERFEST. THE EVENTS THAT WE PUT ON THE CITY, I ASSUME THAT THAT'S WHAT I ASSUME, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. AND YOU ONLY SPEND HALF THE MONEY, BUT YOU DIDN'T REDUCE YOUR BUDGET. WE WE WE'RE NOT DONE. WE HAVE WINTER FEST COMING UP. OH, THAT ONE, THAT ONE. YEAH. YEAH. AND ADP AND AMP DOES PAY FOR PART OF SOME OF THOSE EVENTS. ALSO WE PARTNER. YEAH FOR SURE. WHAT ARE THE PROFESSIONAL FEES ON THIS ONE. THAT COULD BE LIKE ENGINEERING FOR EXAMPLE SPILL YOU KNOW SPILLWAY. IT COULD BE YOU KNOW LIKE DURAN PARK NEEDS ENGINEERING. YOU KNOW DESIGN WORK. IT'S THAT KIND OF STUFF.

IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM WITH A VENDOR, IT COULD BE LEGAL FEES TYPE OF THING. BUT THIS PERSON WAS WAY DOWN ON PARKS AND REC FROM 140,000 THIS YEAR, BUT SAY ON 7500 FOR NEXT YEAR. WHAT DID YOU WE DIDN'T ASK FOR VEHICLES. WE. I TOLD YOU THAT WE LIKE CUT. THAT'S WHY I WAS THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING WE HAVE WE HAVE TRIMMED EVERY SINGLE I LIKE EASY IN HERE. EVERY SINGLE BUDGET. SO YEAH, THIS IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE A CRAZY QUESTION, BUT IS THE LANDSCAPING? THAT WOULD BE MARY JOE. I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THAT'S OFFSET BY IT WAS OUT OF MIND AND INTO MAINTENANCE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO WE'LL. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S MAINTENANCE. OKAY. ALEX. YOU GET THAT? YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND ACTUALLY, THERE'S NOTHING BUDGETED FOR LANDSCAPING OUT OF THAT LINE. YEAH. SO. OKAY. IT MAY ACTUALLY BE IN MAINTENANCE NOW ALREADY SHERWOOD FOREST THERE ARE THREE EMPLOYEES THERE. IS THAT CORRECT? JILL I'M SORRY.

EMPLOYEES AT SHERWOOD FOREST. 2 OR 3 AT SHERWOOD FOREST. WE HAVE TWO. TWO FULL TIME. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT HOW MANY? PART TIME? ONE. OKAY. ONE. NORMALLY, IF I COULD CLARIFY SOMETHING WITH PART TIME, JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, WE YOU ALL APPROVE AN AMOUNT FOR PART TIME SALARIES. IF WE CAN FILL THAT, NOT GOING OVER THAT AMOUNT WITH TWO PART TIMERS, WE WILL. IF ONE PART TIMER, WE WE MIGHT NEED FIVE PART TIMERS AS LONG AS WE DON'T GO OVER THAT AMOUNT. SO THAT'S WHY I GENERALLY DON'T INCLUDE PART TIMERS BECAUSE THAT CAN VARY I UNDERSTAND OKAY. FLEXIBILITY. YES. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO DEPEND UPON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BOND INITIATIVE. OKAY? OKAY. PAGE 16. PARKS AND RECREATION, SUMMER DAY CAMP. THIS IS YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE SUMMER PROGRAM WORKS. WE'RE STILL HAVING THE DAY CAMP FOR THE SUMMER. SUMMER DAY CAMP, NOT THE DAY CARE. WELL, IT'S DAY CAMP IN THE SUMMERTIME. I COULD READ, SO HOW COME? WELL, IT'S AFTER SCHOOL DAY. IT'S AFTER SCHOOL CARE, RIGHT? THE REST OF THE TIME. SO IS THE GO FOR IT IS THE PART TIME

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YOU'RE PLANNING. OH, MY LORD, YOU DON'T DRINK SOMETHING ON THAT BREAK. EVERYBODY'S GETTING SLAPPED. SLAPPED? CRAZY. I THINK THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GREENS? OKAY, PARKS AND RECREATION? YES, MA'AM. COULD WE PLEASE PAINT THE CONCRETE? WHAT THING? GOING AROUND WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO, LIKE, GO STEPS ON ON THE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE ON BOTH. WHAT.

PROBABLY ON THE PUTTING GREEN SIDE. THOSE. WHAT DO YOU CALL THE CINDER BLOCK? THE CINDER BLOCKS THAT GO AROUND THERE, THAT CURVE GO DOWN. WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST PAINT THOSE CINDER BLOCKS. THEY'RE LIKE WHITE WITH MOLD IN SKEPTICISM. YEAH. THANK YOU BABE. OH, Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT SHE'S GOING TO DROP BY TOMORROW FOR ME. I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW. NO, IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW. WE ARE WE ARE SWAMPED. AND IT'S A HOLIDAY. HOLIDAY. YEAH. DEFINITELY NOT HAPPENING TOMORROW. ALRIGHT. PAGE 18.

ACTUALLY, WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS. YEAH OR. YEAH, I GOT SPORTS COMPLEX. OKAY. HOW MANY HERE.

JILL I'M. I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AND GET MY ANSWER BEFORE YOU HAD TO ASK, BUT MY WRITING IS AWFUL. SEVEN FULL TIME. AND THOSE AREN'T THAT WELL, I GUESS. ARE THEY GETTING THE FIELD LIKE THEY WORK THERE YEAR ROUND THOUGH? YOU HAVE SEVEN FULL TIMERS. YOU HAVE TO FOUR FULL TIME, FIVE FULL TIME MAINTENANCE, TWO PROGRAMMERS AND A FACILITY. SO THAT'S FOUR MORE MINUTES AND THEN PART TIME SEASONAL, SEVERAL PART TIMERS FOR CONCESSIONS. AND CAN YOU TALK INTO YOUR MIC? YEAH. HOLD ON 60. YOU SAY ALL THAT AGAIN. SEVEN FULL TIMERS FOR MAINTENANCE FACILITY MANAGER AND TWO PROGRAMMERS. WHAT? PROGRAMMERS TO RUN THE PROGRAMS. AND THEN A LOT OF PART TIMERS. SO ON THIS AREA YOU'RE SALARY IS GONE QUITE A BIT UP. WE MOVED A FOR THE SECOND PROGRAMMER. WE WE'VE MOVED IT FROM. PARKS AND REC AS WELL TO CREATE A THE SPORTS PROGRAMMER POSITION. SO ACTUALLY IT CAME FROM DAY CAMP. IT WAS THE PROGRAM LEAD THAT WAS WITH DAY CAMP. SO NOW IT'S GONE TO OVER HERE TO WHERE WE HAVE SOMEBODY FULL TIME RUNNING THE THE SPORTS PROGRAMS. OKAY. SO SHE'S ACTUALLY DOING REALLY, REALLY GOOD TO DOES BASEBALL ONE DOES SOCCER. NO. RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE PERSON DOING ALL OUR PROGRAMS. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE YOU KNOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO RETIRE. SO WHEN THAT PERSON RETIRES WE'RE LOOKING TO TURN THAT INTO A PROGRAMMER TO WHERE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE OPERATING THE PROGRAMS AND CONCESSIONS. WHAT ABOUT TENNIS PRO? HE'S IT'S IN THEIR CONTRACT. WHERE IS THAT CONTRACT PERSON. THAT'S THAT'S THE ONE. THAT'S THAT'S WHY THE PARKS AND REC FEES WENT UP. FEES ARE CONTRACT LABOR. NO. IT CAME OUT OF. NOT THE GREENS.

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NOW THE PROFESSIONAL FEES. PROFESSIONAL FEES. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE CAN TAKE IT OUT. SALARIES. WE FOUND OUT WE COULDN'T. SO THAT'S WHERE WE PUT HIM AND BUMP THAT UP. THAT'S OUR CHANCE OKAY. YEAH. IS THAT PROGRAM GROWING? WE HAVE MORE ACTIVITY OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PROGRAMS ARE GROWING. HE'S DOING MORE LESSONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE. WE'VE HAD WE HAD A REALLY BIG TOURNAMENT. SO BUT THE DAY TO DAY USAGE STILL ROUGH. REALLY ROUGH. SO YEAH, THAT'S JUST TENNIS NATIONWIDE THOUGH. YEAH I THINK A LOT OF IT'S GONE TO PICKLEBALL, A LOT OF I MEAN AND THE FREEDOM TO GO AND, AND NOT HAVE TO PAY TO, TO GET A COURT. WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER AVENUES OF DOING THAT AS WELL. BUT A LOT MORE PEOPLE GO OUT AND HIT OUR PICKLEBALL COURTS THAN THEY DO PLAY TENNIS. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF TENNIS PLAYERS, BUT THEY CAN ALSO GO OUT TO HENSON AS WELL AND PLAY FOR FREE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT THE TENNIS CENTER. BUT I MEAN WE'VE GOTTA WE'VE GOTTA REEVALUATE. WE'RE PAYING PEOPLE TO SIT OUT THERE AND THERE'S NOBODY THAT COMES UP THERE. SO SO WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD THAT. SO WE NEED TO. YEAH. WELL HE'S HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB OF GETTING PEOPLE THERE. IT IT SERVES US IN A CERTAIN CAPACITY BUT THANKS. OKAY. WE WERE ON 18 ONCE AGAIN UNDER CAPITAL DISBURSEMENT. SOME OF THIS FOR EXAMPLE THE FIELD DRAG. IF THE BOND INITIATIVE PASSES, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NOW NEED. SO A LOT OF THIS WILL BE VARIABLE AND MAY BE ABLE TO BE TIGHTENED UP BEFORE DECEMBER OR EVEN NOVEMBER. RIGHT. AND SOME OF THAT THAT WILL ALSO PROBABLY REDUCE A LOT OF OUR PART TIME COSTS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE WON'T NEED AS MANY INDIVIDUALS TO PREP FIELDS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT THAT GOES OUR WAY. THAT WOULD BE UNDER CAPITAL DISBURSEMENTS.

WHAT WAS THE TIMING ON WHEN THOSE FIELDS WOULD BE TURFED? IF THE BOND PASSES, THAT WILL BE THE THAT WILL ACTUALLY MOST LIKELY BE THE FIRST COMPLETED PROJECT. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SEASON. SO WE'RE GOING TO YES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A FALL SEASON. WE'LL JUST HAVE A SPRING SEASON. BUT AS SOON AS WE'LL START THEY'LL THEY'LL START ACTUALLY, I THINK DURING PART OF THIS SPRING SEASON, WE'LL TAKE A COUPLE OF FIELDS OUT OF COMMISSION AT A TIME AND LEAVE THE REST OF THEM SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM ALL. THE GOAL IS BY JANUARY, IT'S ALL DONE.

JANUARY OF 2620. THIS IS 25, 27, 27, 27. YES. BY THE END OF POTENTIALLY, YOU WOULD STILL NEED THE FIELD DRAG FOR THIS UPCOMING SEASON. I MEAN, IF NOTHING ELSE BECAUSE OF ANY GOT ONE THAT'S NOT VERY FUNCTIONAL THAT WE WE'RE PLUGGING ALONG WITH RIGHT NOW. SO WE WOULDN'T INVEST IN SOMETHING BRAND NEW. RIGHT. THAT WE DON'T WANT TO PAY, THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO WE I THINK WE CAN GET ALONG WITH WHAT WE HAVE ESPECIALLY WE'RE WORKING ON SOME FOOD. IT RAINS. WELL, WE CAN'T GET THEM ON THERE FOR RAINS. YEAH. BASEBALL MAMA. WELL THEY GOT ALL MOVED OUT TO WHEREVER WE WERE. WAS THAT BENTON BRYANT? WHATEVER. YEP. WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT STREAMLINING. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW CONCESSION STAND STUFF BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WITH US NOT HAVING TURF. AND WHEN WE GET RAINED OUT YOU DON'T KNOW. AND SO YOU'VE GOT TO BE PREPARED. AND YOU GO AND YOU BUY ALL THESE PRODUCTS AND THEN YOU KNOW, YOUR CHICKENS ONLY GOING TO LAST FOR SO LONG AND YOUR MEATS AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, IT'S ONE THING IF IT'S A BAG OF CHIPS, IT'S ANOTHER THING IF IT'S SO WE JUST WE'VE GOT TO FIND WAYS TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. YEAH. THANK YOU. GOOD TERM. PAGE 19. THREE THREE PARKS AND REC. SO FAR SO GOOD AS FAR AS I KNOW. I GO OVER THERE OFTEN. CHECK IN WITH MICHELLE. SHE'S SHE WAS HESITANT TO COME OVER AT FIRST, BUT NOW SHE IS SHE REALIZES I'M THERE I GOT HER BACK. LET'S LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP. BUT I THINK IT'S SO FAR SO GOOD. AND IF YOU SEE, WE YEAH, WE DID INCREASE IN LINE 70265 SENIOR PROGRAMING. WE DID INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR THAT. TO GIVE THEM EVEN MORE FLEXIBILITY. THEY'VE THEY'VE ALREADY INCREASED PROGRAMING SUBSTANTIALLY. AND SOME OF IT'S OVER AT THE HARMAN CENTER

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NO, IT'S UNDER THE IT'S UNDER THE POLICE BUDGET. THERE'S A BUDGET FOR IT UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THERE'S NO DEPARTMENT HEAD. THERE'S NO PERSON. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THERE'S A THERE IS. THERE'S A VANESSA HERRING. SHE'S THE ANIMAL SERVICES SUPERVISOR OVER THERE. AND SHE REPORTS TO CAPTAIN JAMIE HARTMAN WITH THE PD. OKAY. IT JUST THAT POSITION WASN'T ON THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A DEPARTMENT HEAD. YEAH. THAT'S WHY. NO, IT USED THE POSITION. USED TO BE, BUT NOT ANYMORE. YEAH, THAT WAS YEARS AGO. NO, THAT'S. THAT STOPPED IN 23 POLICE DEPARTMENT. YEP. DO DO WE NEED TO PASS SOMETHING DO TO CREATE A NEW DEPARTMENT HEAD POSITION. IS THAT A. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A COUNCIL. I THOUGHT THE COUNCIL CREATED DEPARTMENT HEAD POSITIONS. STEVE. AM I AM I OFF ON THAT? IS THAT WHERE ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY? WELL, WE CREATED A NEW DEPARTMENT HEAD WITH SEAN PENNY. LIKE A NEW DEPARTMENT.

WELL, IF YOU REFER TO THE BUDGET, IT'S PART OF IT. THAT'S AN APPROVAL. OKAY. YEAH, I DID SEPARATE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND CREDIT. I THINK THAT WE DID OUR HOMEWORK. ANYTHING ELSE? NO.

GOOD EVENING. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE'LL COVER THE REST OF IT ON THURSDAY. AND THEN AT

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