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          WE ARE ALL SET. THIS IS PART DUA, PART TWO OF OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. AND SO TODAY ON THE 
          [Budget Review on November 13, 2025.]
AGENDA, WE'VE GOT. TWO BIGGIES. POLICE, WHICH IS OUR LARGEST BUDGET, AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS AND EVERYTHING THAT KIND OF FALLS UNDER THAT HEADING WHICH IS LIKE STREET WASTEWATER, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, SANITATION. YEAH. SO IF EVERYBODY WILL TURN TO PAGE SIX IN YOUR SIX IN YOUR FOLDERS. SIX. ONE, PAGE SEVEN, AND I DO KNOW THAT. SO FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE ASKED FOR, JILL DOES NOT HAVE ALL OF IT DONE YET. SO SHE WILL EMAIL YOU GUYS OUT ONCE SHE HAS LIKE ALL OF HER, YOU KNOW, RESULTS AND EVERYTHING. SO WE'LL KIND OF I, I REALLY I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          I KIND OF THOUGHT AFTER TONIGHT WE WOULD NOT ACT ON ANYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED TILL AFTER TONIGHT. SO FOR SURE. YEAH. CORRECT. BUT I JUST JUST SO Y'ALL WOULD KNOW THAT YOU'LL GET ALL THAT INFORMATION AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT NOVEMBER CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE CAN ALSO. YEAH, WE COULD WE COULD MEET BEFORE AND DO ANOTHER KIND OF WORKSHOP IF THERE'S STUFF. OR WE COULD JUST DO IT AT THE REGULAR MEETING. THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. 
          WE'LL SEND OUT LIKE A LITTLE POLL AS TO WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO. AND THEN. BUT WE WILL NEED TO PASS THE FINAL BUDGET IN DECEMBER. I THOUGHT JANUARY IT IT MESSES UP OPERATIONS IF IT GOES PAST BECAUSE THEY NEED TO ORDER STUFF AND IT PUTS EVERYTHING BY LAWS. JANUARY I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY FEBRUARY. THAT'S OKAY. BUT IT BASICALLY IT YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE IN TERMS OF ORDERING, CONSTRUCTING ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BEFORE WE GET STARTED. 
          YEAH, WE HAD AN ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. WAS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? IT WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL. OH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE COPY? YES. I HAD REQUESTED JILL TO LOOK UP AND PROVIDE WHATEVER THAT THEY HAD, SINCE THIS WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION THE OTHER NIGHT. 
          OKAY. SO JUST ADD IT TO YOUR PACKET AND THEN YOU CAN REVIEW IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THIS ORDINANCE NUMBER. YEAH. MAYBE YOU CAN JUST GIVE US THE. THAT'S FUNNY KYLE, THAT WAS VERY FUNNY. I'M TELLING YOU FOLKS WHO 1988. WE ARE STARTING THIS OFF REAL EARLY. OKAY. 
          USUALLY USUALLY THE SLAP SILLY DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL 9:00, BUT. OKAY. AND LET'S NOT BE HERE TILL 9:00. WE CAN AVOID IT. ALL RIGHT? WE'VE GOT. CAN I DO ONE MORE THING? I WAS MAKING A LIST OF ALL THE ASKS FROM LAST TIME. WE'VE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH IT, TOO. I ONLY HAVE THREE. DO Y'ALL HAVE THREE? THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AS WELL. WE CAN. I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH YOU. 
          OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, SO ARE ACCLAIMED. POLICE CHIEF IS IN THE DEER WOODS ACTING LIKE A TREE. SO I DID SPEAK TO HIM TODAY ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, AND IT WAS. 
          HELLO, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF THING. AND I'M LIKE, ARE YOU ARE YOU HUNTING? YES, I AM, AND THEN I HEARD A CRANK CRANK, CRANK CRANK CRANK. SO ANYWAY I'M LIKE, OKAY, GOOD LUCK. BUT ANYWAY. 
          BUT HE WORKED WITH CAPTAIN HICKS WHO FILLS IN IN THE ROLE OF CHIEF WHENEVER CHIEF IS OUT, SO HE FEELS HE SHOULD BE FULLY VERSED ON AND CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS ON IT. SO LET'S GO OVER THE POLICE BUDGET. I DO KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT IS THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME, BY THE END OF THE YEAR THAT I KNOW. JUST LIKE, DON'T EVEN SAY IT OUT LOUD, I'LL KNOCK, KNOCK ON WOOD. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE FULLY STAFFED. OH, YAY! EVEN WITH DISPATCHERS. NO, BUT YOU'RE NOT. WELL, THERE ARE A COUPLE SPOTS. WE'RE JUST NOT UNIFORMED UNIFORM FOR UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICERS. AND THAT IS LIKE, THAT IS A REALLY BIG DEAL. 
          AND I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO THE COUNCIL FOR SUPPORTING THE IDEAS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE INSTILLED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS WHICH HELPED IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PAY. AND THEN WE ALSO 
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DID A INCENTIVE BONUS. AND AND THEN WE ALSO Y'ALL ALSO WERE VERY GENEROUS LAST YEAR WITH THE PAY INCREASE. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS. AND I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FEELS THAT AS WELL. NOW WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID ON OVERTIME. SO IN THE PAST BEFORE I CAME INTO OFFICE OVER TIME WAS NEVER BUDGETED. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CHANGED. NOW WHEN I ASKED ABOUT, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE FULLY STAFFED, CAN WE REDUCE OVERTIME? AND WAS TOLD NO, BECAUSE MOST OF THE OVERTIME IS A RESULT OF THE HAVING TO GO TO COURT, NOT SO MUCH ON THE STAFFING END, AND WE JUST CAN'T WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S STILL A, YOU KNOW, LARGE SUM IN THERE. BUT IT'S MORE THAN LAST YEAR. I MEAN, IF, IF RIGHT NOW FOR 2025, WE'VE ONLY ACTUALLY USED 140,000. WELL REMEMBER THAT IS ONLY THROUGH SEPTEMBER. SO I SEE THAT EVEN THE YEAR BEFORE WAS 170. SO IF YOU AMORTIZE AMORTIZE THAT OUT I KNOW THAT I KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. SO THAT THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY REQUESTED THE AMOUNT THAT THEY DID. SO. IF Y'ALL WILL JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO KIND OF LOOK OVER TO SEE IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT IN TERMS OF CAPITAL DISBURSEMENTS, WE GOT, WE'RE REQUESTING ON YOUR CAPITAL DISBURSEMENTS PAGE. AND THAT WOULD BE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT SAME PAGE RIGHT THERE. HOLD ON. GO TO THE PAGE 106 106 ONE OF SIX. IN IN THE BACK. 
          VERY BACK IN THE IN THE VERY BACK. YES. SO WITH THAT IT'S YOU'VE GOT SOME NEW VEHICLES EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO PURCHASE NEW VEHICLES FOR THE FLEET. AND ONE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT THIS YEAR THAT I WANTED TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE OF IS WE ARE PROPOSING FOR TWO MOTORCYCLES. 
          THE REASON FOR THAT THANK YOU IS BECAUSE. THEY HAVE FOUND THAT TO BE PRETTY EFFECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO SPEED CONTROL. AND ALSO THEY CAN GO ON PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, AN AUTOMOBILE CAN'T NECESSARILY GO. AND SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, HENSON TRAIL FOR EXAMPLE, A MOTORCYCLE COULD GO DOWN THERE BUT A CAR COULD NOT GO DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF A THING. SO, SO FOR OFFICERS TRAINED ON MOTORCYCLES. YES. GOT LICENSED. YES. THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE TRAINING. 
          THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE OFFICIAL TRAINING TO RIDE THOSE IN THE POLICE CAPACITY. I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND ALSO THEY DO A LOT OF WE ALWAYS HAVE TO DO BECAUSE OF THE VETERANS CEMETERY AND SO FORTH FOR FUNERALS. WE GET REQUESTED TO DO THAT. AND IT'S MUCH EASIER TO DO THAT ON A MOTORCYCLE WHEN YOU HAVE TO HOP ON AND OFF TO DIRECT THE TRAFFIC, THAN AN ACTUAL CAR WHERE THEY HAVE TO JUMP IN AND OUT. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO WORK TRAFFIC. IF YOU'VE EVER NOTICED A LITTLE ROCK YOU KNOW RUNS MOTOR UNIT, THEY'RE NOT NOTICED UNTIL YOU'RE ON TOP OF THEM, AND THEN IT'S A LITTLE TOO LATE NOW. SO IT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S A LOT, A LOT EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF TRAFFIC. SMALL AREAS. SO HOW MANY OFFICERS DO YOU HAVE THAT CAN ACTUALLY ARE TRAINED TO RIDE MOTORCYCLE WHEN TRAINED? ANY OF THEM I MEAN NOT TRAINED, BUT OUR LICENSES HAVE LICENSES. 
          LET ME CHANGE. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE GOT FIVE THAT ARE INTERESTED TO DO OKAY, OKAY. 
          BECAUSE MAYBE THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BUILD ON FOR MAYBE NEXT YEAR AND MAYBE YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR A WHILE. BUT CHIEF, THIS FIRST TIME HAS BEEN ON THE BUDGET THOUGH FOR AN ASK. WELL, BECAUSE CHIEF WAS NOT SOLD ON MOTORCYCLES, THE MEN HAD BEEN ASKING FOR THIS. I'VE WORKED ON HIM. I'M GONNA TELL YOU, SERGEANT HARRIS HAD A WHOLE LOT TO DO WITH A WHOLE LOT. YES. SO I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA. LITTLE ROCK IS ACTUALLY OFFERED TO DO A LOT OF THE TRAINING FOR WITH US. OH, GREAT. I MEAN, THAT'S GOOD, AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES. SEARCY'S GOT HIM. CONWAY. WHAT PAGE DID YOU SAY THE MOTORCYCLES ARE ON? IT'S ON PAGE. PAGE ONE OF SIX IN THE ARKANSAS. IT'S ON THE MUNICIPALITY FOR SIX OF SIX IS ON THE NEXT PAGE. I MEAN, OKAY, ON THAT PAGE ONE OF SIX. ALEX. REQUEST DETAIL. IT SAYS EIGHT PATROL VEHICLES, BUT THEN ON THE BOTTOM IT SAYS NINE DODGE DURANGO. IS THAT JUST A DISCREPANCY OR YOU'RE I SEE, YOU'RE RIGHT. OH TWO MOTORCYCLES. I THINK THAT 
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THAT'S A DISCREPANCY OKAY. AND IT SAYS SEVEN AT THE OUT TO THE SIDE. YEAH. IT WAS JUST A TYPO. 
          THE QUANTITY COLUMN OKAY. WELL THERE'S TWO. YEAH. AND THAT WAS YEAH THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED. 
          SO THAT YEAH THAT WAS SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OKAY. OH IT SHOULD BE SEVEN 70777. YEAH. THERE SHOULD SAY SEVEN OKAY. GOTCHA. SO EVEN SEVEN AND TWO MOTORCYCLES. SO NINE TOTAL VEHICLES. SO THAT'S EVEN RIGHT ABOVE THAT UNDER POLICE THE DODGE DURANGO POLICE VEHICLE THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO SEVEN. YES. AND THEN BELOW THAT IT SAYS NINE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO SEVEN. YES. AND THE OUTFITS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEVEN. YES. YES. AND SO IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. OKAY. SORRY. ALSO THAT YOU SEE A VEHICLE FOR, FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL POSITION AND WHAT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO IS WE USED TO GET A LOT MORE OF THE RED TAGS, CONDEMNATION THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND HAD ANY. RIGHT. AND SO I SENT THE ENTIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM AND SUPERVISOR TO THAT MUNICIPAL LEAGUE TRAINING THAT THEY ADVERTISED OUT ON HOW TO EXPEDITE IT. I THINK SOME OF YOU WERE IN THAT SESSION. SO THEY WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT. AND SO WHAT THE PLAN IS, IS CALVIN WILL BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON THAT SPECIFIC PAPERWORK. AND THEN THAT HAS THREE IN THE FIELD. SO WHEREAS HE'S GOING TO BE BEHIND THE SCENES DOING A LOT OF THE PAPERWORK STUFF FOR THE OTHER THREE, IT WILL ALLOW FOR THEM TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. SO I KNOW WE ALWAYS GET LOTS OF CALLS ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND WE HAVE A LARGE CITY TO COVER. SO AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR NEWBIES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. SORRY LADIES, IS THAT IT'S REALLY ROUGH WHEN YOU HAVE TO CONDEMN A HOUSE ONCE IT'S BEEN DONE. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN YOU GO AND LOOK AT IT BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT VOTE AND YOU SEE IT'S BRINGING THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN, EVERYONE ELSE IS TRYING TO HAVE A NICE HOUSE AND IT'S JUST YOU GET MORE PHONE CALLS THANKING YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE CALIBER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAN YOU HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO HOMES ARE BEING CONDEMNED DON'T CARE IN MOST CASES. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY SOMETIMES THEY DO. THAT'S WHY I SAID NOT. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S LIKE THEY JUST LET IT GO AND IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVES US TO TO STAY ON TOP OF THAT. THERE'S ONE ON CLAREMONT THAT HAS BEEN UNDER CONDEMNATION SINCE THAT WAS IN OUR WARD BACK, I THINK SIX YEARS. MAYBE WE JUST GOT BIDS YES TO FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN. THANK YOU. YES. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY AN INCREASE AS WELL IN THERE BECAUSE WE GOT INTO OKAY. WHAT BUDGET LINE DOES THE COST OF TEARING IT DOWN. AND THEN YOU PUT A LIEN ON THE HOUSE BACK FROM THE PROPERTY. BUT BUT IT DOESN'T. YOU DON'T ALWAYS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING. SO THE CITY THEN OWNS THAT PROPERTY? NO, MA'AM. NO, WE WE TEAR IT DOWN AND SEND THEM THE BILL. YEAH. YOU HAVE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY IF IT EVER GETS SOLD. THEY. SO THE BANK OWNS IT, AND Y'ALL JUST CONDEMN IT AND TEAR IT DOWN, RIGHT? AND THEN IF THE BANK SELLS IT, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE PROPERTY WILL SELL. AND WHEN IT SELLS THAT LITTLE POP UP AND AND YES, WE ARE NOT A PRIORITY IN THE LANE. WE GET PAID. I'M SORRY. BEHIND THE RED TAB. AND OFTENTIMES THE HOUSES AND PROPERTY JUST GO UP FOR TAXES. AND WHEN THEY DO, WE DON'T GET TO COLLECT THAT. OH, BUT I WILL SAY THE CODE OFFICERS PUT RELEASES OF LIEN IN MY BOX 4 OR 5 A MONTH. AND THAT MEANS WE'VE BEEN PAID AND I TAKE THEM DOWN AND I RELEASE THE LIEN. AND SO THEY'RE THEY'RE COLLECTING MONEY. OKAY, OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. IS THAT THE SAME SCENARIO FOR BUSINESSES AS WELL OR WHAT APPEAR TO BE BUSINESSES? IT DEPENDS. IF IT'S THE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY? I THINK OF LIKE 1107 THERE'S LIKE BOARDED UP. IT LOOKS LIKE OLD BUSINESSES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD. SO THEY SHOULD IF YOU BEING BOARDED UP IS DOESN'T MEAN LIKE YOU CAN GET RED TAGGED OKAY. SO WHEN AND YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND WE ARE A VERY STRONG PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE. 
          AND IF I'M SAYING ANYTHING OUT OF TURN STEVE, PLEASE CORRECT ME. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A RED TAG SITUATION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS. THAT. YOU 
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KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT THINGS FALLING IN ON PEOPLE, YOU DON'T WANT SQUATTERS IN THERE, YOU DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECOMES A LIFE SAFETY RIGHT SITUATION, NOT JUST HABITABILITY. THERE YOU GO. AND AND SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN WHERE IT'S THEY WERE DRUG HOUSES WITH THINGS BEING PRODUCED THERE. AND SO THE WALLS, MATERIALS, SHEETROCK MATERIALS WERE CONTAMINATED. YEAH. YEAH, WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT A FEW YEARS AGO. WE SURE DID. AND THAT WAS A BUGABOO. YEAH. THE THE FAMILY SAID, OH IT'S FINE, IT'S FINE. 
          AND WE HAD THEM GO IN AND CHECK. AND THERE WAS METHAMPHETAMINE RESIDUE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          YEAH. SO LOVELY. ALL RIGHT. BUT YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CAPTAIN HICKS? I HAVE ONE UNDERNEATH OUR CANINE EXPENSE. I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WE WOULD BE GETTING ANOTHER CANINE THIS YEAR. IS THAT INCLUDED OR ARE WE POSTPONING THAT? NO. WE'RE POSTPONING. OKAY. WHAT LINE ARE YOU ON, PLEASE 76020I SAW IT OKAY. THE. OH, AND NO HORSES EITHER. I WAS HOPING TO SEE THE HORSES, BUT I GUESS I LOST THAT BATTLE. OKAY, OKAY. I LIKE THAT BETTER. AND THEN BICYCLES TO THE HORSE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? THE HORSES? UNFORTUNATELY, YES, YEAH I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IF YOU WERE TO. YEAH. OKAY. FOR ME. NO, NO, I WAS LIKE FOR ME YOU. ON ONE OF THE CAPITAL DISBURSEMENTS IS THE. A. IT'S PRONOUNCED BEST UNDER 911. AND I WAS GOING TO ASK THIS BEFORE I EVEN SAW THIS. BUT BUT IS ANYTHING BUDGETED. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE WHOLE COMBINING WITH NORTH LITTLE ROCK, THE 911. AND WE'RE STILL VERSUS THE BUDGET WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. OKAY. AND NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE CONSOLIDATION IS IN THIS BUDGET. YEAH. WE'RE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THERE YET AND PROBABLY A COUPLE YEARS OUT. YEAH. SO THIS THIS VISTA 911 IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED ANYWAY BUT COULD BE CORRECT. CORRECT. THAT'S THE ONE THAT Y'ALL VOTED ON. WAS THAT TWO MONTHS BACK. CORRECT. YEAH. THE I HAD A QUESTION. THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE LAWN CARE FROM 15 TO 50. WHAT'S THAT. THAT'S FOR THE ONES FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT WHERE WE HAVE TO. OKAY. GOTCHA. OKAY. DO WE PHYSICALLY HAVE OUR CREW, OUR PARKS CREW MOW THE LAWN AND BUILD THEM, OR DO WE JUST KEEP. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHY IS THE EXPENSE HIGHER? BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE PROPERTIES NOW OR BECAUSE OF INCREASE IN COST OF THE PEOPLE WERE USING. 
          OR LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE HAD THAT BUDGET LINE. OKAY. AND IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD COVER IT. IT WASN'T IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 78902. CORRECT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT LIKE CUTS BOTH WAYS. RIGHT? IF YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S GRASS IS UP TO YOUR KNEES, YOU'RE UPSET THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO CUT IT. AND IF YOU'RE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, YOU'RE UPSET THAT THE GRASS IS UP TO THE KNEES, YOU KNOW? YEP. DO YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH DODGE VEHICLES THAT WE SEEM TO BE SET ON THAT WE I KNOW LOTS OF CITIES DO FORDS, CHEVROLETS AND THEN WE'VE WE'VE KIND OF GONE TO DODGE HERE LATELY. TYPICALLY WHAT THE STATE BID COMES OUT WITH. BUT FORD WE GOT AWAY FROM THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY UPPED THE PRICE SO MUCH. THEY WON IN ONE SEASON ALONE. THEY WENT UP ALMOST 15,000 A UNIT. OH, WE COULDN'T JUSTIFY IT. STICKING WITH THOSE, THE DODGE IS ACTUALLY WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD LUCK WITH SO FAR. THEY TURN MORE HORSEPOWER AND BETTER FUEL EFFICIENCY ACTUALLY. OKAY, GOOD. SO I GUESS I WOULD ASK JOSH THIS QUESTION, ARE THEY DOING OKAY IN THE SHOP BACK THERE? WE ARE. AS FAR AS THE DODGES. YES. 
          WELL IT'S THEY'RE FAIRLY NEW. AS HE SAYS. THEY'RE NORMALLY COVERED. A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING ISSUES COMING UP. AND WE TAKE THEM TO THE DEALERSHIP. BUT THE REGULAR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE WE'RE OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. BECAUSE I KNOW ONE TIME WE CHANGED TO SOMETHING AND YOUR PREDECESSOR SAID WE'RE NOT BUYING THOSE AGAIN. WELL, AND, AND AND IT WAS ACTUALLY A DODGE. IT WAS A DODGE CHARGER I REMEMBER THAT I REMEMBER THAT ONE. YEAH. YEAH. WE MAY WE MAY BE THERE IN A FEW YEARS, BUT WE'RE NOT RIGHT NOW. HE SAID. WE'RE NOT BUYING THOSE AGAIN. 
          THERE'S A FUNNY STORY ON THAT. JOBS ALONE WERE NEARLY $1,000 A TIME. YEAH, IT WAS RIDICULOUS. 
          YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALSO, UNDER THE POLICE, WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ANIMAL CONTROL. 
          SO DO YOU WANT TO REFERENCE THIS PLEASE. TO PAGE NUMBERS, PLEASE. YES. THAT I WAS LOOKING 
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TO ALEX FOR THIS. SINCE HE'S THE ALEX I WAS PUNTING OVER TO HIM. ANIMAL SERVICES WILL BE PAGE 21. NOW, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN YOU'VE GOT THE LINE. ITEM 78900. WE NOT KNOWING WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE BOND INITIATIVE, WE WENT AHEAD AND WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 27,000 IN THAT. THEY HELD OFF SOME OF THE STUFF FROM THIS YEAR. YOU KNOW WHEN THEY HAD PUT IN, YOU KNOW, FOR 27,000, THEY SPENT, YOU KNOW, 10,800. JUST YOU DON'T WANT TO REPAIR SOMETHING IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE NEEDED. SO, WELL, EVEN IF IT PASSES, IT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR AT LEAST A YEAR. WHILE THE OTHERS BEING BUILT. WELL, IT IT DEPENDS THE KIND OF REPAIR IN WHICH IT IS. 
          IF IT'S. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE 10,000 THAT HAS BEEN SPENT. IF IT'S 10,000 AND THAT IT WE NEED IT RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO FUNCTION. THAT'S ONE THING. IF IT'S. MAYOR, HOW MANY POSITIONS? I KNOW WE HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR AND HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE OVER THERE. OH. 
          WE HAVE TWO. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WORKING. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S WORKING. IT'S NOT WORKING. WE HAVE. HOLD ON. HANG ON. WE HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR, TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. 
          RIGHT NOW. WE'RE REQUESTING A THIRD IN THE BUDGET, THOUGH. SO THAT WOULD GIVE US WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANIMAL CONTROL. ANIMAL CONTROL. I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT CODE. GIRL. I JUST I WASN'T DONE TALKING ABOUT CODE YET. WE HAVEN'T STARTED YET. ANIMAL SERVICES. 
          WE HAVE SEVEN FULL TIME AND ONE PART TIME. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY WHEN YOU SAID THREE, I WAS LIKE, WHAT? SO WE MUST BE ONE SUPERVISOR. IT IS ONE SUPERVISOR AND SEVEN FULL TIME. 
          SEVEN FULL TIME. NOT NO NO NO NO ONE SUPERVISOR, SIX FULL TIME. AND HOW MANY? ONE PART TIME AND ONE PART TIME, RIGHT. NO NEW POSITIONS BEING REQUESTED AT THIS TIME. AND WE JUST WE JUST HAD A NEW PERSON START OR HE'S GETTING READY TO START. YEAH. STARTED THIS WEEK. 
          OKAY. I THINK I TALKED TO HER ON THE PHONE TODAY WHEN I CALLED HER. YES. WHY SO MUCH OVERTIME FOR THAT ONE? IT'S OVER BECAUSE WE WERE. IT'S ABOUT 50% ABOVE ITS BUDGET ON OVERTIME. THAT WAS A STAFFING RIGHT. IF YOU WANT, YOU KNOW. WELL, I KNOW STAFFING IS WHAT CAUSES OVERTIME. YEAH. SOMEBODY OUT WE WERE SHORT ON STAFF AND YES WE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE OUT FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. SO WE WERE SHORT STAFFED. SO THEY HAD TO WORK OVERTIME TO HANDLE ALL THE CALLS. ALL RIGHT. THE ONES WORKING I SHOULD SAY. CAPTAIN HICKS, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, SINCE CAPTAIN HARTMAN'S NOT HERE, DO WE GET A LOT OF PET FOOD DONATIONS? THE LAST THAT I WAS, I WAS AWARE OF, WE DO GET QUITE A BIT. SO THEREFORE WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON PET FOOD. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU WILL SEE, WE DID UP THE BUDGET FOR THAT. YEAH. BUT I DO KNOW THAT SHE'S WORKING ON A. 
          SOME TYPE OF CONTRACT WITH. ANIMAL SCIENCE. WHAT IS THAT BRAND. SCIENCE. SCIENCE SCIENCE DIET. OKAY. IT'S FOR ANIMALS AND HAS SCIENCE IN IT. OKAY, I WAS CLOSE. AND ALSO SHE'S TALKING TO THEM. AND THEN ALSO PURINA A LOT OF TIMES THAT A LOT OF THE DONATED FOOD WILL GIVE TO PEOPLE LIKE WHEN THEY GET A PET OR LIKE IF THEY HAVE A PET AND THEY ARE NEEDING SOME HELP. AND IT'S VERY INCONSISTENT. WHAT WE GET DONATED. I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME MONTHS IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN OTHERS, AND SOME PEOPLE DO LIKE A, LIKE AN EVERY MONTH THROUGH AMAZON TYPE OF THING. THEY HAVE LIKE ONE OF THOSE AMAZON WISH LIST THINGS SUBSCRIPTION. YEAH. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE JUST AUTOMATICALLY DO THAT EVERY MONTH. SO DO WE HAVE DO WE. WE USED TO HAVE A VERY ACTIVE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM OUT THERE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, WOULD WORK AND HELP AND HELP OUT. AND I THINK THAT RELIEVES SOME OF THE OVERTIME STUFF IN THE PAST 
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BECAUSE THEY WOULD HELP IN THE FRONT OFFICE AND DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE PETS, SPECIALLY ON THE SOCIALIZING. AND THEIR GROUPS WOULD HAVE LIKE KIND OF LIKE A, A CHRISTMAS OR THANKSGIVING COLLECTION OR CEREAL COLLECTION FOR KIDS. THEY ALWAYS HAVE THOSE KIND OF THINGS. HAS THAT FIZZLED OUT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS ANYMORE. THERE'S NOT ONLY IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ASK OUR DIRECTOR TO SEE ABOUT REESTABLISHING, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PET LOVERS IN THE CITY THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO REESTABLISH THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH SOME OF THE VOLUNTEERS IN THE COMMUNITY. BRING UP A DISCUSSION. YEAH, I DO KNOW THAT. CHIEF AND CAPTAIN HARTMAN AND VANESSA, THE NEW DIRECTOR, ARE THEY'RE REALLY WORKING TO IMPROVE THE ENTIRE CULTURE IN TERMS OF OVER THERE. AND THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, THE BIG AND THIS IS KIND OF LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE BOND ISSUE, BECAUSE IT IS IT'S BUILT SO INEFFICIENTLY. I MEAN, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOTHING ALL DAY LONG, BUT JUST CONSTANTLY CLEANING THE KENNELS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO IMAGINE THAT DAY IN, DAY OUT, DAY IN, DAY OUT DAY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT GETS TO BE FRUSTRATING VERSUS WITH THE NEW SYSTEM. ALSO, WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT WITH THE NEW LOCATION THAT WILL HELP BECAUSE OF THE LEARNS ACT. AND THOSE HIGH SCHOOLERS WON'T HAVE TO HAVE A CAR IN ORDER TO VOLUNTEER. THEY'LL WE'RE HOPING TO REALLY WORK WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL ON DEVELOPING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES FOR A MORE COMPASSIONATE ADULT WORKING WITH ANIMALS, AND IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE ANIMALS. BUT YES, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AND WE'VE EVEN TALKED ABOUT BRINGING IN SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE TO KIND OF WORK ON JUST COMMUNICATION, CUSTOMER SERVICE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO JUST THE VOLUNTEERS DEFINITELY WANT TO HELP. THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. ANYTHING ELSE AS YOU GUYS ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING OVER ON IT, JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE. PET ADOPTION VEHICLE. DOES THAT GO OUT VERY OFTEN? IT HAS SOME I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SO SHORT FOR A WHILE THAT THAT THAT WOULD BECOME A PROBLEM. AND I KNOW IT WAS IN THE SHOP FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH, WITH GENERATOR KEEPING THE AIR CONDITIONER RUNNING. BUT. YEAH. SO AND AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, I MEAN WE HAD TWO THAT WERE OUT FOR LONG TERM. WHAT AM I ALLOWED TO SAY. 
          THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL. YES. THAT'S IT. WELL, JUST BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT VEHICLE EXPENSE HERE. AND SO THE YEAR TO DATE SO FAR IS 5400. BUT AND THEN YOU GOT 10,000 IN THERE FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. I KNOW THAT WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE IT IT WAS NOT EVEN WE HAD TO GET THE PET MOBILE BACK UP AND RUNNING. RIGHT. SO THAT'S I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT VEHICLE EXPENSE. SO OKAY. THAT'S ALL. CAN YOU GO BACK TO PAGE SIX AGAIN ON THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT? THE CIVILIAN CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVEN'T BEEN THERE YET. I'VE BEEN THERE YET. OKAY. IT'S ON THE POLICE. I WAS UNDER POLICE. ALL RIGHT. IS EVERYBODY READY TO GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT? THEY WERE READY FIVE MINUTES AGO. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT? PAGE SIX. PAGE SIX. BEVERLY'S THERE. SHE'S JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT. TO ME, AN ANIMAL CONTROL ARE BOTH EQUAL BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER THE POLICE. THEY'RE BOTH. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT PAGE. IT'S OKAY. IT DOESN'T GET ITS OWN PAGE, THOUGH. OKAY. BACK ON PAGE SIX, I SHOULD BE UNDER. YEAH. THE SECOND ITEM UNDER POLICE IS THE CIVILIAN CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING. YEAH. DO YOU SEE THE BIG BUMP UP. SO UNDER 70120120. SO IT HAS ONE SUPERVISOR CORRECT. PLUS 2 OR 3 TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE ASKING BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THREE. SO THIS IS ALL CLERK. THAT'S ALL CIVILIAN CLERKS AS WELL. SO THAT'S NOT JUST THE THREE CODE. SO IT'S. SO IT'S CALVIN AND COUNTING THAT NUMBER ON THAT LINE. SO IT'S A SUPERVISOR THE TWO AND THE CLERK MULTIPLE CLERKS. WE'RE IT'S ALL NON UNIFORM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH INCLUDES ALL IN ADDITION TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. YES MA'AM. SO THERE'S OKAY. WELL DANG. IS 
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THERE A REASON WE CAN'T SEPARATE IT FROM THE. I'M JUST THINKING BECAUSE I THINK THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN LINE, JUST LIKE ANIMAL HAS ITS OWN LINE. I MEAN, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE THE FACILITIES IN THE FOOD, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT HAVE A COUPLE OF LINES UNDER POLICE WITH ITS. ITS BEEN NOTED. OKAY. AND THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT BUMP UP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS UNDER THAT OR REQUESTS IN TERMS OF PRESENTATION. WAS THERE ANYTHING NEEDED THAT DID NOT GET INCLUDED THAT I'M AWARE OF? OKAY. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          SORRY. DIDN'T SPEAK INTO THE MIKE. WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. YOU CAN GO HOME NOW. BYE GUYS. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. DRIVE SAFE. GOOD EVENING. NO, HE DOES NOT. NO, HE DOES NOT. YOU GUYS ARE HERE. YOUR SIDEKICK'S GOING WITH YOU? YES. 
          HE'S GOT TO WORK. I'M MAKING IT WORK. ALRIGHT. PUBLIC WORKS AND PAGE. ALEX. YEAH, WE'LL START OFF WITH THE FIRST ONE. SO UNDER PUBLIC WORKS, PAGE 12. ACTUALLY. OR IS IT FURTHER UP? TABLE OF CONTENTS IN YOUR GREEN TAB. THE VERY FIRST PAGE SHOULD GIVE YOU THE TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR EVERY. NOW, ALEX, ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE THAT ORGANIZED? I'M TRYING. IT WASN'T WORKING. 
          ALEX. I'M SORRY. SO WE WANT TO DO WE WANT TO DO SANITATION OR DO WE WANT TO DO DRAINAGE? PAGE 22. LET'S JUST DO THE FIRST ONE IN ORDER. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ABOVE 12? THERE'S 11. IT THAT'S IT. AND WE DID THAT LAST TIME. YEAH. DRAINAGE ON PAGE 22. THAT'S NOT IN ORDER. THAT'S NOT THE ORDER. YEAH. THE FIRST ONE IS SANITATION AND 1212. OKAY, OKAY. SORRY. ALRIGHT. JOSH HAS ALREADY POPPED UP HERE. OH I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, COME ON DOWN. YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANT ON. 
          LET'S REVIEW YOUR BUDGET. SANITATION. I'M. I'M. I WANT TO COMPLIMENT JOSH, YOU AND BRIAN FOR HAVING OUR CONTRACT LABOR PART GO DOWN, BECAUSE THAT MEANT THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO HIRE SOME FOLKS TO BE PERMANENT IN PEOPLE. WELL, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, I WILL TELL YOU, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ALL ALLOWED FOR AN INCREASE IN PAY. YES, SOME OF THEM. BUT I REMEMBER THERE WAS A CONCERN. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT HAVING PEOPLE THAT WERE ABLE TO BE HIRABLE. ARE YOU STILL GETTING SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE FROM YOUR LIKE YOUR CONTRACT LABORING AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING OUT AND THEN THEY, YOU ACTUALLY MOVE THEM OVER TO OUR EMPLOYEE? YES. WE'RE READY TO TURN ANOTHER ONE OVER AND BRING HIM ON BOARD. THIS WEEK NEXT WEEK. SO IT WORKS OUT BETTER. 
          THAT WAY WE CAN. WELL, THE SOUNDS BAD, BUT YOU TRY THEM BEFORE YOU TRY. YOU SEE HOW THEY WORK? YEAH. ON THE JOB TRAINING, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WORKS BOTH WAYS, THOUGH. THEY CAN ALSO SEE IF THIS JOB IS A RIGHT FIT FOR THEM. SO OKAY. JOSH, I KNOW THAT. TRAINING, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT REALLY WAS DONE IN TERMS OF OFFICIAL TRAINING, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO JOSH. AND HE HAS ALREADY STARTED IMPLEMENTING, AND THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. AND IN ALL OF HIS, ALL THE DIFFERENT ONES, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD. WHO'S TRAINING HIM? YOU ARE OUTSIDE PEOPLE. I'M SORRY, WHO'S GOING TO BE YOUR TRAINERS? WE BRING OUTSIDE NORMALLY STATE PROGRAMS DO PERFECT FREE TRAINING, AND WE DO HAVE ANOTHER TRAINING LINE ITEM IN STREET DEPARTMENT. SO THERE HAS BEEN FUNDS UTILIZED FOR TRAINING, JUST NOT OUT OF SANITATION. OKAY. SO THE LAST ITEM UNDER THIS UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION IS THAT TODAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PREDICTING STILL SPENDING NEXT YEAR TO FINISH UP SOME OF THIS. YEAH. WHAT IS 79. IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE CAPITAL. 
          YOU'VE GOT AUTOMATIC SIDE LOADER GARBAGE TRUCK. SO THAT'S THE CAPITAL OKAY I THINK IT'S LABELED WRONG. IT SAYS CONSTRUCTION PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. YEAH I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CAPITAL. CAPITAL EXPENSES. BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING, DO WE HAVE A BUDGET 
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FOR THE I MEAN, THE CONSTRUCTION IS THAT IN HERE ANYWHERE? YES. REMEMBER WE COVERED THAT UNDER ADMINISTRATION. THAT WAS THAT 1.2 MILLION. YEAH. CARRIED OVER WHEN I SAW THAT. THEN ON THIS PART PEOPLE ARE LIKE WHAT'S THE MAYOR DOING. NOTHING. THAT'S THE THAT WAS THE ALLOCATED BUILDING FUND. SO THIS SHOULD BE THIS SHOULD BE CAPITAL EXPENSES. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S SO I'M SEEING PAGE THREE OF SIX. WELL BEFORE WE GO. SO WE HAVE IN THIS DEPARTMENT ON PAGE 12. FOR PUBLIC WORKS WE HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR. IS THAT CORRECT. WHICH DEPARTMENT. SANITATION. SANITATION. WE HAVE ONE SUPERINTENDENT ONE CREW LEADER USUALLY ONE SUPERINTENDENT, ONE CREW LEADER. AND THEN. VARIOUS EMPLOYEES. 
          BECAUSE THAT I KNOW THAT FLUCTUATES. IT DOES UNFORTUNATELY, I DO KNOW THAT SO IS JOSHUA SALARY IN THIS SALARY ON THIS PIECE? NO. JOSH IS GOING TO BE IN STREET. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING. YES, HE'S IN STREET. THAT'S WHERE BRIAN WAS. SO WE JUST KEPT HIM THERE. OKAY, SO ONE SUPERINTENDENT, ONE CREW LEADER AND THEN SIX OTHER PEOPLE. OR HOW MANY OTHER. OH, NO. FOR ALMOST A MILLION. SUPERVISOR, CREW LEADER FOR LABORERS AND 13 OPERATORS. CDL OPERATORS AND SANITATION. 13 ONE SUPERINTENDENT, ONE CREW LEADER FOR LABORERS AND 13 YES. TOTAL OF 19 EMPLOYEES. TOTAL OF 19. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? WHAT'S THE LIVELIHOOD? THE LIFETIME OF THESE SANITATION CARTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR HOMES? NORMALLY FIVE, FIVE PLUS YEARS, WE'RE WE'VE BEEN CYCLING OUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CANS THAT WERE INITIALLY BROUGHT ON BOARD IN 2009. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF THOSE OUT. WE DID INCREASE THAT. SO TYPICALLY EACH YEAR WE ORDER A TRUCKLOAD A SEMI TRUCKLOAD. 
          IT HOLDS 624. THERE HAVE BEEN A YEAR OR TWO AGO WE RAN OUT AND WE WERE HAVING TO GO TO PARKS AND RECS AND SCRAMBLE FOR CANS. THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT, BUT IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE. SO WE BUDGET A LITTLE MORE NEXT YEAR. WE'LL PROBABLY END UP GETTING LIKE A TRUCK AND A HALF. OKAY. IT'S FOR NEW RESIDENTS AND ALL THE OLD CANS THAT ARE TORE UP. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU GUYS ARE READY TO MOVE ON, I BELIEVE PUBLIC WORKS DRAINAGE IS PAGE 22. JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS JUST WE DO HAVE A MAJOR, MAJOR DRAINAGE PROJECT PROJECT UNDER THE STREET BUDGET THAT WE'VE NOT SEEN YET. BUT I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW BEFORE, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT DRAINAGE AND THAT SHERWOOD ACRES IS SHERWOOD ACRES. THANK THE LORD. YES. YES, LORD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN ON THE LIST FOR THE NEW FOLKS FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS. YEAH, WELL, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE WERE APPLYING FOR GRANTS THAT. OKAY, SO SHERWOOD ACRES HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE STREET. IT IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE FOR LARGE PROJECTS LIKE THAT'S ALWAYS WHERE IT GOES UNDER. THIS IS MORE JUST YOUR, YOUR MAINTENANCE TYPE OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CLEANING OF DITCHES, YOUR. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GO AROUND. THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DITCH IN THEIR YARD, THAT IT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MOW IT. THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING THE GRASS IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MOW IT. SO BUT THE DRAINAGE, ACTUAL AREAS ARE USUALLY YOUR YOUR WATERWAYS, YOUR YOUR MAJOR AREAS. SO, SO IN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW WHEN WE MIGHT GET STARTED ON SHERWOOD ACRES, WELL, IF IT'S APPROVED, YOU KNOW, AND 
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WE GOT TO GET THAT BEING SAID, IT WAS ESTIMATED TWO YEARS AGO BY THOMAS ENGINEERING. THE TOTAL PROJECT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. IT WAS LIKE 1.2 MILLION. SO THAT'S A BIG PILL TO SWALLOW. 
          WHAT WE'VE DONE. AND I HAVEN'T EVEN CONTACTED HIM, BUT I'M HOPING WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BREAK IT INTO TWO PHASES TO TRY TO GET STARTED ON IT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE ANYWAY. SO YES. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S APPROVED, IF WE CAN GET GOING AND GET IT OUT TO BID AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY CAN START ON IT LATE FALL ISH OF 26. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE GOT TO GET WITH THOMAS ENGINEERING ABOUT ABOUT THE TIME FRAME. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IS THAT CURRENTLY IN THE STREET BUDGET? YES MA'AM. IT IS. DO YOU MIND POINTING YOU TO THAT PAGE AS WELL? YEAH, IT'S A BLUE TAB. BUT IF Y'ALL IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PAGE BEFORE WE. OKAY. THEN WE CAN MOVE ON A SECOND. OH. WHAT. IS THERE SOMETHING ON THIS PAGE? JOSH, YOU NEED TO TELL US ON PAGE 22. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. EVERYTHING'S PRETTY STANDARD IN THE IN THE DRAINAGE. OKAY. SO IT'S THE NEXT THING THEN. YEAH. THE BLUE TAB, THE STREET BUDGET. OKAY. WELL. THE ONLY LIKE, I GUESS YOU'RE DECREASING THE DRAINAGE WORK FROM 100,000 TO $50,000 IN THE BUDGET, BECAUSE FOR TWO YEARS IN A ROW, YOU'VE NOT YOU'VE HAD 100,000 AND NEVER MET THAT. SO YOU'VE CUT THAT BACK THERE. IS THAT HOW I'M READING THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD. OKAY, EVERYBODY, FIND THE STREET BUDGET. YES. IT'S GOT THE 1.3 MILLION. THE STREET IMPROVEMENT ON PAGE TWO OF TWO. NO STREET IMPROVEMENT IS YOUR IS YOUR OVERLAY PROGRAM. THAT'S FOR REPAVING STREETS. 
          IT'S SHERWOOD ACRES RIGHT BEHIND THE BLUE. IT'S ONE OF TWO LINE ONE. LINE 71003 HAS IT THE BRIGHT SIDE SHERWOOD ACRE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. LOOK OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND YOU CAN SEE THE TITLE OF IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. ON THE. ARE WE PAST THAT FOR. I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE LINE ITEMS UNLESS WE'RE. 
          EVERYBODY GOOD THERE. I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. UNDERNEATH OUR SIDEWALK STREET FUND 71018. YES, MA'AM. YOU KNOW, I GET A TON OF CALLS ABOUT INDIAN HEAD. SO WE. WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THAT PROJECT? SO. RIGHT. AND I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO WHO DEALS WITH IT. AND I SO BASICALLY WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ARDOT TO RELEASE IT TO GO OUT TO BID. SO THAT WAS MY LAST CALL. AND I EVEN THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING. WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF WE'VE GOT 188 SET ASIDE FOR SIDEWALKS BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROJECT INDIAN HEAD. YES. WHERE? WHAT LOCATION? OH, IT'S OKAY. IT WAS THE IT WAS THAT GRANT THAT GOT APPROVED. AND THAT'S THE WHERE IT ENDS ON SHOSHONE ALL THE WAY TO I THINK. IS IT NARRAGANSETT PLACE THE WHERE THAT CUL DE SAC IS. YES. 
          FOLLOWS THAT AROUND MAYOR. SO WHAT LINE ITEM ARE YOU LOOKING AT, SWEETHEART? I'M LOOKING AT SEVEN ON THE PAGE. 71018. YES. AND THEN WHEN I WAS ALSO IN, THAT IS MONEY ALLOCATED FOR SEMINOLE TRAIL. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS. YEARS. IT'S ALREADY BEEN ENGINEERED AND I'M SO HAPPY. YEAH. IT HAS BEEN ENGINEERED FOR A LONG TIME. YEARS AND YEARS. WELL, NOT YEARS AND YEARS, BUT BUT SEVERAL YEARS. OKAY. I JUST GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON SHOSHONE THAT ARE BEGGING FOR SIDEWALKS. YES. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE SOME WHO DON'T WANT THEM AT ALL. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD, BUT AS FAR AS THE CALLS THAT I GET, THE I NEED SIDEWALKS IS GREATER THAN THE WE DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS. I AGREE. AND THIS WILL HELP BRING PEOPLE FROM YOU KNOW THE IS IT CALLED SQUAW ISLAND MARINA OKAY. SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO THEN BE ABLE TO ACCESS ACCESS IT ALL THE WAY TO THE PARK. THAT'S RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT YES, WE ARE ADDRESSING THAT. YES, IT I FOLLOWED UP WITH CASEY FROM METRO PLANT 
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LAST WEEK ON IT AND IT YOU KNOW, HE JUST HE TOLD ME THAT IT THIS IS JUST BECAUSE I WAS LIKE THIS IS TAKING TOO LONG. SO IT IT GOES BACK AND FORTH. SO LIKE BEAR SUBMITTED IT. THEY HAD A FEW THINGS MINOR COMMENTS THEY WANTED TO CHANGE. SO THEN THEY SEND IT BACK. SO BEAR MAKES THOSE AND THEN IT HAS TO START ALL OVER AGAIN THROUGH THE PIPELINE. SO IN FACT, HOLD ON, I JUST GOT AN EMAIL. NOPE. NOT YET. SO IT SAYS THAT THEY ARE GETTING CLOSE. SO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE ON THE DOT SIDE. SO WE JUST HAVE WE'RE JUST WAITING ON DOT OKAY I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. GO BACK TO THAT SAME NUMBER 71018 SIDEWALK STREET FUN AND GO OVER TO EXPENDITURES FOR 2025. ACTUAL YEAR TO DATE WAS 2991. EVERYBODY SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YES. BUT WE HAD IT BUDGETED FOR HALF $1 MILLION. WE JUST PUT ALL THOSE SIDEWALKS ON KEEL. HOW COME THAT TWO. AND WE DID THAT FOR MORE THAN TWO, MORE THAN 2991. WELL, WHY IS IT NOT THERE THAT THIS WAS ONLY THROUGH SEPTEMBER AND THEY JUST THIS IS OKAY. YES. AND THEY JUST DID SOME OF THEM. 
          AND BUT WHAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE SEPTEMBER IS MORE THAN 2900. THAT WAS THE YEAR BEFORE. THAT WAS IN 24. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. A LOT OF THAT WAS IN 2024. IT'S BEEN A YEAR, MISS BEVERLY. TIME FLIES. IT DOES? YES, MA'AM. IT IS. WHEN YOU GET OLD. SHUT YOUR MOUTH OVER THERE. AND SO I, I WANT TO GIVE JOSH SOME KUDOS. SO I KNOW THERE WERE MULTIPLE SECTIONS THAT WERE DONE ON KEEL, BUT ONLY ONE HAD TO BE PUT OUT TO FOR CONTRACT BECAUSE PUBLIC WORKS DID THE REST IN-HOUSE. 
          AND THAT'S YOU THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE NORM HAS BEEN. SO THAT HAS REALLY BROUGHT DOWN OUR COSTS. AND KUDOS TO JOSH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LET'S US DO MORE. YES, EXACTLY. OKAY. HE'S EMBARRASSED OVER THERE NOW. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU MAY NOT GET THAT NEXT YEAR SO SUCK IT UP OKAY. OUR TRAFFIC CONTROL THING SEEMED TO HAVE SLOWED DOWN SOME. HAVE THEY SLOWED DOWN PEOPLE REQUESTING THEM AND PUTTING THEM OUT. TRAFFIC SPEED CUSHIONS. YOU THREW ME OFF THERE, I DID TOO. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT LIGHTS. LIKE STREET LIGHTS. YES, MA'AM. 
          PEOPLE DON'T WANT THEM OR NO, IT'S NOT SO MUCH. THAT IS. IT'S. WELL, I KNOW, BUT WE GET THE CALLS AT CITY HALL AND THEN FROM THERE WE, WE SEND THEM WITH OUR NEW ORDINANCE THAT WE THAT THEY DON'T QUALIFY ANYMORE. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S EXACTLY IT. A LOT OF THE REQUESTS, THE STREETS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING THEM ON, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. YOU CAN'T DO A SPEED CUSHION. 
          GOTCHA. SO I HAVE A SO ARE WE DONE WITH THAT PAGE? SURE. OKAY. FOR RIGHT NOW. FOR RIGHT NOW OKAY. SO ON STREET IMPROVEMENT ON THE NEXT PAGE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE OVERLAYS I KNOW WHEN IS THE OVERLAY LIST GOING TO COME OUT OR HAS IT COME OUT. IT HAS IT. WE TYPICALLY YOU KNOW WE'LL START WORK ONCE THE BUDGET'S APPROVED. IF IT'S APPROVED, WE KNOW HOW MUCH FUNDING WE HAVE, AND WE'LL START COMPILING A LIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE TRY TO ESTIMATE THE COST OF THE TON AND ALL THAT. THIS YEAR WE CAME IN UNDER BUDGET BECAUSE THE COST OF THE ASPHALT WAS ACTUALLY CHEAPER THAN LAST YEAR. IT TYPICALLY GOES UP, BUT WE'LL TRY TO ESTIMATE IT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN USE, AND WE'LL START COMPILING A LIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND START REVIEWING THAT PROCESS SHORTLY, SO THAT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THE SOONER YOU GET THE BID OUT, THE MORE CONTRACTORS YOU TYPICALLY GET INTERESTED IN DOING THE WORK, THE BETTER OFF WE ARE. WE ARE ACTUALLY STILL TRYING TO FINALIZE 2020 FOURS OVERLAY PROJECT. WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THAT CONTRACTOR, BUT WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM RESOLVED HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS YEAR TO GET THAT TIDIED UP. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE'RE WORKING ON THE THE LIST OF STREETS, AND WE'LL START REVIEWING THAT PROCESS SOON. THE STREET COMMITTEE HAVE INPUT ON THAT LIST. SURE. YEAH. SO WHAT THEY WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CAMERA SYSTEM. FIRST STEP IS WHAT IT'S CALLED FIRST STEP. AND THIS HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL YEARS AGO. AND THEN WHAT IT DOES IS IT GIVES US IT EVALUATES FOR THEM. IT'LL SAY THIS IS A RED, THIS IS A YELLOW, THIS IS A GREEN OR WHATEVER STREET. AND THEN WHAT HE DOES IS HE LOOKS AT ALL OF IT, AND YOU WANT TO DO THESE IN CLUMPS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ONE STREET HERE AND THEN ONE 
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STREET HERE AND ONE STREET OR YOUR MOBILITY. YOU SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY ON MOBILITY. SO THEY TRY TO DO LIKE A SECTION, A WHOLE AREA AT ONE TIME. THAT'S CORRECT. AND TO FURTHER ADDRESS THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, MY STREET DIDN'T NEED IT. WELL, WE'RE IN YOUR AREA. WE'RE DOING YOUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD NOT BE EFFICIENT FOR US TO SKIP THIS ONE LITTLE ROAD AND TRY TO COME BACK THREE YEARS AND DO THAT ONE PART. SO THAT'S THE REASON WE GET SOME OF THOSE CALLS. AND THIS IS A STATE AID YEAR RIGHT WHERE WE CAN APPLY. YES, WE WILL BE APPLYING FOR STATE AID PROGRAM WILL FUND 300,000 TO DO ADDITIONAL STREETS OR A SECTION THAT WE'RE NOT IN THE AREA OF DOING SO. AND I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT EASTLEIGH IS THAT EASTLEIGH WAS ONE OF THEM ON THE LIST. YEAH. THAT WE'RE EVALUATING. YEAH. YES. YES SIR. 
          WHAT YEARS ARE STATE AID. EVERY OTHER YEAR. YES. OKAY. IN THE EVEN YEARS. THEN YOU CAN APPLY FOR IT EVERY YEAR. BUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY GIVE IT TO YOU, IT SAYS YOU CAN APPLY FOR IT EVERY YEAR, BUT THEY TYPICALLY DON'T GIVE THE SAME CITY OVER AND OVER. THEY'LL SHARE THE LOVE. 
          GO AHEAD. WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE? NOT PUTTING PRESSURE ON YOU? JUST A GENERAL IDEA OF LIKE THE YOU LOOKING AT THE PROGRAM AND GETTING SOME STREETS TOGETHER. MY REASONING IS OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE A STREET COMMITTEE MEETING IN JANUARY AND THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU BROUGHT UP. MAYBE SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS MIGHT WANT TO COME HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT. YES, WE SHOULD PUT TOGETHER BY THEN FOR SURE. OKAY. SO THEN WE CAN JUST KIND OF PLAN ON THAT THEN IF, IF OBVIOUSLY ANYBODY CAN COME WELL AND HE CAN SEND THAT OUT TO AND TYPICALLY HE DOES. THEY SEND A LIST OF THIS IS THIS IS ALL THE STREETS WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THIS YEAR. AND THAT WAY YOU GUYS WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THEM. JOSH. YES, UNDER THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS. WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT. GOT THE $1.3 MILLION BUDGETED AT YOUR ASK FOR THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR ON THE FAR RIGHT, THE NOTE SAYS INCLUDES THE OAKDALE IMPROVEMENT OF OF A LITTLE OVER HALF A MILLION. YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT I DON'T OKAY. 
          IT'S ON PAGE TWO OF TWO UNDER STREET. IT IS LINE ITEM 71021 STREET IMPROVEMENT. I'VE GOT THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE SIDE NOTES. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY NOTES OUT THERE. I THINK THAT THAT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CHOPPED OFF. I THINK THAT WAS A SIDE NOTE. THEN IT SAYS HERE'S WHAT IT SAYS. EXCLUDES OAKDALE IMPROVEMENT OF $550,000. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF THAT $550,000 IS NOT ON THIS LINE, WHERE IS IT? I DON'T THINK IT IS. I DON'T THINK IT'S INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET AT ALL. I THINK THAT THAT WAS A MISTAKE, THAT THAT'S IN THERE. SO THAT'S TO BE MARKED OFF. MR. ALEX, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. BECAUSE I COULDN'T SEE A HALF $1 MILLION ANYPLACE ELSE. IS THAT SOMETHING FROM LAST YEAR? YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR. 
          THAT'S THAT'S LAST YEAR'S LAST YEAR WE DID THE HALF. WE DID THAT WAS THE HARPS. YES. THAT WAS THE HALF STREET IMPROVEMENT ON HARPS THAT WE ALLOCATED. I TALKED TO THEM AND THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT THEY STILL DO IT. THEY NEED TO ENGINEER AND SO FORTH. SO THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT BREAKING GROUND THIS YEAR. SO THEY SAID, DON'T PUT IT IN YOUR BUDGET FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YES. AND THE OTHER THING TOO, JUST SO THAT YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF AND I'M SURE OUR TWO IN COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE VERY AWARE OF THIS. AND MILLER'S GLEN, WE HAVE BEEN IN HOUSING DOING A LOT OF REPAIRS ON THAT STREET THAT WE'RE KIND OF TOLD THAT COULDN'T BE DONE. AND SO I KNOW THAT CHARLES WARD AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD OUT THERE, AND THEY HAVE MADE THAT SO MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU. I DID HAVE A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT THAT. AND WHEN WE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WAS, YES, LOTS OF PEOPLE, JUST THE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE, NOT REALLY COLLAPSING, BUT IT WAS LIKE POTHOLES AND JUST IT NEEDED. AND THE ROUNDABOUT LIKE THE MAIN AREA, IT WAS JUST LIKE A LITTLE ROLLER COASTER RIDE THERE FOR A FEW FUN. YOU KNOW, ON CERTAIN DAYS IT COULD BE. 
          NOT EVERY DAY. I FEEL LIKE IT MELTED AND SQUISHED TOGETHER. WHAT DO WHAT ARE THE SURPRISES IN THIS BUDGET, JOSH? THAT THERE ARE NONE. YOU WANT ME TO ADD SOME SURPRISES? YEAH, THERE'S NOT ANY ON THE STREET. THE CAPITAL DISBURSEMENTS BUCKET TRUCK. THE TRUCK WE USE NOW IS A 1999, ALMOST 200,000 MILES. AND I WAS ACTUALLY USING IT THE OTHER DAY TO REPLACE THE RED BULB. AND I WAS VERY LUCKY TO BE TO GET DOWN AND OUT OF THE TRUCK BEFORE IT DECIDED TO QUIT. SO CAPITAL DISBURSEMENTS FOR STREET FUND. WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR FOR BUCKET TRUCK. OH, IT'S BACK ON THE CAPITAL FUND. SO OKAY, THIS IS MY FIRST BUDGET MEETING. SO THE CAPITAL 
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DISBURSEMENTS ARE IN THE BACK. THEY'RE IN THE BACK. THEY'RE DETAILED ON THE BACK OKAY. SO IT OUTLINES. IT'S ALSO ON PAGE TWO OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK IN THE BACK. SO HOW MUCH IS YOUR SECOND MONICA. OH THANK YOU. YEAH WE HAD ONE MONDAY. HOW MUCH IS A BUCKET TRUCK 175 175 TOTAL I SEE THAT OKAY. THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE. VERY LESS. THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. YEAH, WELL THAT'S GOOD. I'LL TURN BACK ONE MORE PAGE. OH, OKAY. NO THAT'S WASTEWATER. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME, ALEX? YOU NEED TO GO HOME AND REST LAST NIGHT. AND WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY SAY. I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT LITTLE THINGS THAT HAVE STARTED TO COME UP. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE AND DILIGENCE. I CAN TELL THERE'S BEEN A BIG CHANGE. THANK YOU AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION GOES. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU, I TRY. AND THE RESIDENTS SAY THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I TOLD Y'ALL HE WAS A GOOD EGG. I TOLD Y'ALL HE WAS A GOOD EGG. YEAH, A SPLIT A SPLIT EGG. SPLIT EGG. HE'S ALMOST ALL RIGHT. THE WASTEWATER. AND THAT'S A NEW ONE. THAT'S THE NEW ONE YOU JUST GAVE US. IS THAT THE NEXT ONE? YEAH. WHERE IS IT? RED TAB, WHERE ARE WE GOING? THE RED. RED, YELLOW. SO YOU'RE. YEAH, IT'S A YELLOW ONE. IT'S YELLOW. OH THE NEW ONE YOU GAVE ME. OKAY. THE YELLOW. 
          YELLOW. YES. WHAT DO I DO WITH IT. DID YOU PUT IT. IT HAS A PAPERCLIP ON IT IF THAT HELPS IT. OH I HAD SO MUCH STUFF. I'M SO CONFUSED. HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE I GOT HERE. HOW HAS IT BEEN HAVING WASTEWATER? A NEW PROJECT FOR YOU. I'M LEARNING AS MUCH AS I CAN AS OFTEN AS I CAN. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I APOLOGIZE. SCOTT GREENWOOD DID PUT IN FOR VACATION A MONTH AGO THAT WAS APPROVED. I DID NOT KNOW BUDGET WORKSHOP WOULD BE THIS WEEK, BUT SCOTT HEWITT HAS KINDLY OFFERED. HE'S BEEN WITH WASTEWATER FOR A WHILE, HE SAID BETWEEN ME AND HIM, MAYBE WE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. WE'LL TRY OUR BEST. AND IF Y'ALL HAVE NEVER LIKE HE GAVE ME A TOUR. SCOTT DID. SCOTT DID OF THE SOUTH PLANT AND IT'S WE'VE GOT SOME VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE. IT'S IT'S PRETTY IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. SO IF YOU EVER, YOU KNOW, TAKE A STROLL OUT THERE WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MOOD. YEAH. IT WAS IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE HE CAME OUT AND HE WAS LIKE, MA'AM, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED BACK HERE. AND I WENT AND HE GOES, OH, WAIT, IS THAT THE MAYOR? OH, GOD. OKAY. YEAH. YOU'RE ALL LIKE, GOOD JOB, SCOTT. GOOD JOB. 
          DID YOUR JOB. HE NEEDED HIS GLASSES ON. WAIT A SECOND. YEAH. THAT WAS BACK IN THE SWAMPS WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, SO. OKAY, GREAT. WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS ON THIS PAGE, MR. JOSH? THAT'S THE ONE THAT I. YES, I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH USUAL STUFF WE GOT. HE'S THEY'RE REQUESTING A NEW TRACKHOE PAGE TWO. YEAH I JUST I'VE JUMPED TO CAPITAL DISBURSEMENTS. I'M SORRY Y'ALL. THE NEW TRACK CODE, THE ONE THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW IS FAIRLY SMALL. IT CAN'T REACH SOME OF THE LINES ARE REAL LOW OR DEEP IN THE GROUND. ANOTHER PICKUP TRUCK. THE GENERATOR AT CAYUGA PUMP STATION. AND THEN THE THE CAMERA IS A IS A SMALLER CAMERA FOR THE SERVICE LINES. THE SERVICE LINES ARE NORMALLY SMALLER. SO THEY NEED A CAMERA TO CHECK THE SERVICE LINES. I DID ASK FOR BECAUSE USUALLY, WELL, IN THE PAST, I KNOW THIS WAS ALWAYS A MARINA QUESTION. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW OLD IS THE VEHICLE AND AND SO FORTH. 
          SO IT IT WAS A REALLY OLD VEHICLE AND WITH A WHOLE LOT OF MILES ON IT. SO THEY THEY DID CHECK THAT. AND ONE YEAR I DID ASK FOR A LIST OF EVERY VEHICLE THAT THE CITY OWNED. AND SO WHAT MODEL IT WAS, HOW MANY MILES IT WAS. BECAUSE YOU'LL APPRECIATE. SO I GOT THAT DATA FOR YOU, MARINA, JUST IN CASE YOU WOULD WOULD ASK THAT. SO IT IS A 2004 AND THE MILEAGE IS 221,288. THANK YOU. AND MY DAD WOULD HAVE SAID, DOES IT STILL RUN A LITTLE BIT. THE OTHER THING TOO, I REALLY WANTED TO GIVE KUDOS BECAUSE I MADE SOME OF THESE CALLS LIKE EARLIER 
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TODAY. WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THAT? BUT THE GENERATOR, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE PURCHASING FINALLY GENERATORS SO THAT WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT, THEN THE PUMP STATION CAN STILL BE WORKING. AND THEY SAID THIS ONE IS THE THE, THE ONE THAT GOES OUT THE MOST. AND I DO REMEMBER EARLIER IN THE YEAR WE PURCHASED ANOTHER GENERATOR. WE DID. YES. FOR ANOTHER PUMP STATION IN INDIAN HEAD. SO I ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO START YOUR SCOTT SCOTT SCOTT. 
          SO THE ONE THAT YOU SHOW ME, THE ONE ON SHOSHONE. AND I REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I GREW UP OUT THERE. SO I ASSUME THAT THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MIGHT NEED TO DO THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM OR. YEAH, MOST DEFINITELY. I MEAN, THAT MICROPHONE PLEASE THE HELL OUT HERE. IT'S TELEVISED. IT SOUNDS LIKE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, THAT'S JUST A START. I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S 13 PUMP STATIONS AND YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S NO WHEN THERE'S NO POWER, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WORK AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHATEVER. GO OUT THERE TO TRY TO BYPASS. SO YEAH. AND I MEAN WE'RE PROBABLY A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES, MOST OF THEM ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE GENERATORS AT THEM. SO IT'S IT'S TIME TO UPGRADE TO HAVE GENERATORS. AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A MUST ALMOST. SO WITH THIS ONE AND THE ONE WE'VE PURCHASED RECENTLY, ARE THESE THE ONLY TWO PUMP STATIONS THAT WILL HAVE GENERATORS. WELL, THE ONLY PUMP STATION THAT HAS ONE NOW IS THE ONE THAT WAS RECENTLY. RIGHT. SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS ONE, WILL THIS WILL THESE BE THE ONLY TWO? THAT WILL BE TWO. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE GRAVITY FED HERE. BUT OKAY. 
          YEAH. THESE WERE THE TWO MOST CRITICAL. BUT THE PLAN IS THAT TO START GETTING MORE OF THEM. 
          AND THEN IT CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT COULD COME TO YOU KNOW, THE BUT COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL IF AS NEEDED. SO OKAY BOTH BOTH PLANS I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU I WAS LIKE WHAT'S MEREDITH'S HUSBAND DO. WHY IS EVERYBODY LOOKING AT HIM? YEAH, SHE'S HANGING OUT. BOTH BOTH PLANTS HAVE GENERATORS. BUT IF YOU CAN'T GET THE WATER THERE THEN YOU KNOW. YEAH. YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA GET IT THERE BEFORE YOU CAN WORK. I KNOW CAYUGA HAS BEEN STRUGGLING. YES. FOR A MINUTE. YEAH. ISN'T THAT THE ONE? YEAH. IT'S CLOSE TO MEREDITH'S HOUSE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. THAT'S ONE OF. YEAH. THAT WAY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THAT GRID, IT'S IT'S THE STRANGEST GRID ON THE PLANET. YEAH. I MEAN, IT TRULY IS. THE ELECTRICITY WILL GO OUT. 
          OUR HOUSE WILL NEVER GO OUT. YEAH, EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOES OUT, AND THEN THE NORTH SIDE WILL COME BACK ON. BUT THEN RIGHT AROUND WHERE THAT PUMP STATION IS, JUST THAT LITTLE, SMALL LITTLE AREA. IT TAKES FOREVER. YEAH. IT'S THE GRID. YEAH. IT'S THE STRANGEST. 
          YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THREE AND FOUR PHASE WIRES. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING TWO SOURCES OF POWER FROM THIS WAY. AND TWO OF THEM. YEAH. IT'S. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL FOUR OF THEM IT WILL WORK. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JOSH UNDER REVENUE ON THAT PAGE AT THE TOP. THE SECOND ITEM 00505. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE REVENUE, THESE ARE THE FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED OF OUR RESIDENTS. CORRECT. THAT'S ON THEIR BILLS. THE SERVICE CHARGES. THE SERVICE CHARGES. IT'S THE SECOND ONE DOWN JOSH OKAY. YES. THAT'S IS THAT HOW THAT MONEY IS GENERATED? YES. THAT YOUR ENTIRE OPERATION IS FUNDED FROM THE WASTEWATER FEES ON THEIR UTILITY BILLS, WATER BILL. CORRECT. SO THE REASON WE'RE EXPECTING A $600,000 INCREASE IN OUR REVENUE IS WHY? WELL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTS, A LOT OF NEW, NEWER HOMES. DO WE HAVE MORE HOMES? I MEAN, THAT MANY MORE HOMES TO GENERATE THAT MUCH MORE KIND OF THIS IS A QUESTION I'D HAVE TO GET WITH GREENWOOD ON WHERE THIS FIGURE CAME FROM. BUT THE SERVICE FEES, THAT'S IT'S A CHARGE. REMEMBER HOW THE COUNCIL A COUPLE OF YEARS WE UPPED THE SERVICE CHARGE. THAT'S. YES. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, THAT THAT'S A LOT OF IT WAS THE THIS IS THE LAST YEAR OF THOSE THAT WERE THE LAST STEP. YEAH. THE LAST STEP OF THE ONES THAT WERE PASSED. AND THEN ALSO THE NEW HOMES. AND AS I HAVE MENTIONED TO YOU, A COUPLE OF YOU, ALL WE DISCOVERED. THAT WE HAD BEEN HAVING LIKE NEW CONSTRUCTION HOMES AND THEIR, THEIR WASTEWATER WAS GETTING TURNED 
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ON, BUT THEY WERE NEVER GETTING A BILL, A BILL, A BILL. AND THIS WENT ON FOR LIKE FIVE YEARS AND THIS WAS LONG. WHO IS THAT RESPONSIBILITY? WELL, THIS THIS OCCURRED BEFORE I GOT INTO OFFICE. SO I DON'T KNOW. THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS WORKING IN THE PERMITS PLANNING UNDER RICHARD PENN, AND SHE LEFT AND THEY JUST NEVER REPLACED, NOR DID ANYBODY PICK UP THAT JOB DUTY. SO THAT WAS DISCOVERED. WE GOT ALL THAT RECTIFIED. AND THAT'S WHERE SOME PEOPLE IN SHERWOOD WERE LIKE, MY BILLS GONE UP. WELL, YOU'RE THAT'S BECAUSE YOU GOT FREE WASTEWATER FOR YEARS. FIVE YEARS. YEAH. OR HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST EVEN LIKE, REMEMBER OUR NEW FIRE STATION? THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES ON THE LIST. IT HAD NEVER GOTTEN ITS WASTEWATER TURNOVER FROM WHATEVER THAT WAS IT. WOW. BUT WE FIXED ALL THAT, RIGHT, SCOTT? YES, YES. SO ALL THAT WAS FIXED, AND NOW WE HAVE A NEW POLICY IN PLACE TO WHERE IT THROUGH THE THE IS IT Y'ALL OR IS IT PERMITS. BUT YEAH. YOU CAN'T GET THE CEO UNTIL THAT'S BEEN TURNED OVER OKAY. THAT'S A GOOD. SO THAT'S THE WAY OF CHECKING THOSE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THEY WERE GETTING FREE WASTEWATER. I MEAN DID THEY A LOT OF THEM DO ONCE THEIR BILL WENT UP. I KNOW, BUT DO THEY KNOW? THAT'S WHY I MEAN, WHAT I DID TO SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM WAS QUESTIONABLE. FIRST THING WE DID WAS LOOKED AND SEEN IF THERE WAS A LINE AVAILABLE. SO IF THERE WAS A LINE AVAILABLE, CLOSE, YOU KNOW. BUT SOME OF THEM. YEAH, SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM GOT AGGRAVATED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE STARTING TO PAY. YOU KNOW, THEIR WATER BILL REALLY WENT UP. AND THEN SOME OF THEM WAS ON SEPTIC. SO, YOU KNOW, HAD TO GO OUT AND VERIFY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM WANTED TO DISPUTE IT, YOU KNOW. AND BUT I HAD TO VERIFY WHETHER, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM WERE IT COULD BE SEPTIC OR IT COULD BE ON CITY SEWER. SO I HAD TO VERIFY WHICH WAS WHAT. SO BEFORE THEY GOT BILLED, WE DIDN'T TURN AROUND AND BILLED PEOPLE ON SOMETHING. 
          SO THE OTHER THING TOO, TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE LOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT WASTEWATER BILLS, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WASTEWATER DISTRICTS WITHIN SHERWOOD. WE ONLY ARE HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT OVER SHERWOOD WASTEWATER. THEY ARE EACH INDEPENDENTLY OWNED AND INDEPENDENTLY OPERATED. SO GRAVEL RIDGE HAS A GRAVEL RIDGE SEWER DISTRICT AND THAT IS OPERATED. THERE'S ONE IN RUNYON ACRES ACRES. THERE'S ONE IN NORTH ROCK. SO WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES, AND IT EVEN HAPPENED THIS WEEK WHERE SOMEBODY CALLED UP AND JUST, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO GET ALL UPSET WITH ME. AND I'M LIKE, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. LET'S SEE. I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT'S US. IT TURNS OUT THAT IT WASN'T US. IT WAS NORTH LITTLE ROCK WASTEWATER. SO IT JUST I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN SHERWOOD, IT'S SHERWOOD WASTEWATER AND IT'S NOT. AND YOU NEED TO LOOK ON YOUR BILL AND THAT'S WHO'S PROVIDING YOUR SEWER. SOME OF THE AREA IN GRAVEL RIDGE COMMUNITY THAT HAS JACKSONVILLE MAILING ADDRESSES ARE SOME OF THOSE ON JACKSONVILLE WASTEWATER? NO, MA'AM. THERE'S NOTHING YET. HOWEVER, I AM WORKING NOW IN TERMS OF THE AREA THAT IS UNDEVELOPED, THAT'S NEAR THE AIRBASE. YEP, THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THAT WILL BE. JACKSONVILLE. JACKSONVILLE. SO I'VE STARTED TALKING TO HER BECAUSE THERE WAS A A DEVELOPER LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A PIECE OF PROPERTY, COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SO FORTH. AND SO THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT THE WASTEWATER. SO WE I CALLED, TALKED TO HER AND BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE THE CLOSEST TIE IN, DO YOU THINK THAT WE NEED TO PUT OUT SOME TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT SO RESIDENTS KNOW THIS? YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT YOUR WATER BILL TO SEE WHAT SEWER SYSTEM YOU'RE ON. 
          BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN SHERWOOD DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE ON SHERWOOD WASTEWATER. AND PEOPLE JUST ASSUME. CORRECT. I'VE BEEN SENT ON THE CONTACTS THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING. I'VE BEEN SENDING THEM TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE THAT LISTS ALL OF THE DISTRICTS. YEAH. THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A DISTRICT MAP. THAT'S WHAT I WAS. THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR WATER BILL. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOUR WATER BILL. LOOK AT THAT. HERE'S A LIST OF ALL THE DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. YEAH. YES. THAT'S JUST HOW I'VE BEEN HANDLING IT. BUT IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA FOR US TO JUST PUT THAT AS A. AND WE COULD ALSO PUT IT IN THE NEWSLETTER JUST JUST AS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, THIS IS 
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WHERE YOU FIND THE INFORMATION DEFINED ENOUGH. WE COULD KIND OF DO A MAP. I MEAN, I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT DEFINED ENOUGH TO WHEN I'VE LOOKED AT THE MAPS, IT'LL MAKE YOU GO CROSS-EYED IN SOME OF THE AREAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT PRETTY DIFFICULT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST THINKING, JUST FYI, YOU KNOW, CHECK YOUR WATER. BUT THE BILL WOULD BE THE MOST THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY FOR RESIDENTS TO FIGURE OUT. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BROOKS IS CORRECT. I ONLY HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. IT'S ACTUALLY FOR BEVERLEY, AND I THINK YOU CAN JUST I THINK YOU CAN ANSWER THIS UNDERNEATH THE 00673 LINE 673I DON'T HAVE A ZERO. IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS HAD DISCUSSED IN THE WASTEWATER COMMITTEE MEETING? I DON'T HAVE A00673. 
          00673. ARE YOU ON THE ARE YOU ON PAGE ONE TWO? YES. UNDER EXPENSES. THIRD LINE DOWN. IT'S LEGAL FEES BEVERLEY. YEAH THAT'S 00672. IT'S IT. YEAH IT'S IT GOT IN THE ENGINEERING AND PROFESSIONAL FEES. LOOK AT THE UNDER WASTEWATER. NO THIS IS THE ONE HE SWITCHED OUT. 
          YEAH. SHE'S LOOKING AT THE OLD. LOOK AT THE LOOK AT THE NEW ONE. AND IT WAS JUST THOSE TWO THINGS WERE COMBINED. YES. NEVER MIND THAT ANSWERED ME. YES. AND THAT IS SO. AND WE WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY UNDER CONTRACT AND MEETING SCHEDULED NOW, IS THERE A REASON THAT WE TOOK THE LEGAL PART OFF UNDER PROFESSIONAL FEES? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THAT TO HAVE SAID SEPARATELY WE IT IT'S JUST WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF HOW IT WAS DONE WITH MOST OF THE OTHERS. BUT IT'S I MEAN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT, WE IT JUST HAD NEVER BEEN PULLED OUT OF THERE. LIKE WHEN YOU LOOKED ACROSS, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS LIKE EMPTY, EMPTY, EMPTY, EMPTY, EMPTY. I DID ASK FOR THAT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST MONTH. I MEAN, LAST I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WANTED LIKE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF I DID WANT THE TOTAL AMOUNT BECAUSE SO MUCH OF OUR WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS ENGINEERING THE EXTRA EXPERT IN PLANNING? YES. EXTRA OUTSIDE LEGAL PIECES. YES. AND THAT CAN BE CLUMPED TOGETHER IN LEGAL SERVICES. BUT SOMETIMES I THINK FOR US, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, BUT I THINK FOR US ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT KIND OF SERVICES WE'RE GETTING. 
          I WOULD PREFER THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN ENGINEERING OR PLANNING AND LEGAL. WHAT OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES DO WE HAVE? DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES YOU USE AS A CITY? YOU I MEAN, IN THEORY, IF YOU HAD LIKE A CONSULTANT, OKAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT BUT THAT'S I MEAN THAT COULD BE A PROFESSIONAL THING, BUT I JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES I WANT TO KNOW, HOW MUCH ARE WE PAYING OUTSIDE SOURCES FOR LEGAL SERVICES. AND THEY'RE ALL CLUMPED TOGETHER. SO I PERSONALLY PREFER IT SORTED THAT WAY. Y'ALL MAY NOT AND BE THE MAJORITY THE WHERE IT GETS TO BE FOR FOR ALEX IN TERMS OF BECAUSE IT'S HE JUST GUESSES WHICH ONE. WELL NO, IT'S NOT LIKE I MEAN IT DEPENDS UPON THE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT IT PERTAINS TO. BUT HE CAN PULL YOU KNOW, THIS IS I MEAN HE CAN RUN A REPORT. THIS IS A TOTAL AMOUNT BECAUSE AND HE DID THAT FOR ME BECAUSE I ASKED HOW MUCH WE'D SPENT FOR OUTSIDE LEGAL SERVICES THIS YEAR. SO IT'S BEEN COSTLY AND IT'S AND IT DEPENDS TO LIKE DIFFERENT. SO LIKE IF IT'S LET'S SAY HR IT'S TYPICALLY THE FRIDAY LAW FIRM. 
          BUT THEN LIKE WITH THIS IT'S QUATTLEBAUM. AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. IT DEPENDS UPON THE SPECIALTY I TOTALLY AGREE. UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. SO IF WE HAVE LEGAL UNDER THIS AREA THEN WE'LL KNOW IT'S PROBABLY THE FIRM. IF WE HAVE LEGAL UNDER HR, WE KNOW IT'S PROBABLY FRIDAY. 
          SO WE WOULD WE WOULD KNOW BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH THEM AND MEET THEM AND TALK TO THEM. 
          OKAY. THAT'S JUST A BEVERLY WILLIAMS ONE OUT OF EIGHT OPINION. I LIKE THAT IDEA. I MEAN, IT'S SO. I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA. DOES IT. DOES IT COST YOU OR DOES IT A LOT MORE EFFORT FOR Y'ALL TO ITEMIZE THOSE? NO. ONCE IT'S SET UP, IT'LL IT'LL IT'LL BE CODED THAT WAY. THAT WAY. AND IT WILL BE SHOWN THAT WAY GOING FORWARD. SHOULD WE BRING YOU ANTACID TABLETS? CAN YOU WORK ON THAT? THANKS, ALEX. WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS. 
          BASED OFF OF THE STREET COMMITTEE MEETING. AND I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT THAT IS THE THE PORTION OF THE CONVERSATION AND APPROVAL THAT YOU GUYS HAD IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING. WELL, HE ADDED, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK IT'LL BE SEPARATE, BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE HAS ASKED FOR THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS TO HAVE A LEGAL PERSON WORKING WITH US IN THIS AREA. YEAH. AND SO THEY'VE ADDED LIKE FOR NEXT YEAR FOR THERE TO BE MORE IN THAT JUST TO COVER IN CASE WE DON'T KNOW HOW EXTENSIVELY IT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED. NO. TOTALLY 
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UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND IT. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE LINE ITEM THAT THAT THAT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE I THINK, IS THAT OUR LAST BUDGET. THIS MIGHT BE COVERED. I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW MY. I'M JUST JUST DIDN'T REALIZE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS. FOR. THE SECOND PAGE, TWO OF TWO UNDER THE WASTEWATER THAT NEXT TO LAST LINE 70380. WHAT IS THE GROUP? HEALTH INSURANCE. THAT'S SPECIFIC TO WASTEWATER. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THE GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE IS BUDGETED FOR GENERAL FUND, WASTEWATER FUND AND STREET FUND WASTEWATER. SO WASTEWATER HAS ITS OWN GROUP INSURANCE. STREET FUND HAS ITS OWN GROUP OKAY. GOT ITS OWN. 
          YES, SIR. BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE GENERAL FUND STREET AND WASTEWATER THAT I'M AWARE OF. YES. I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY OTHER FUNDS. KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE THEY HAD, LIKE SOMETHING SPECIAL. I THINK CHARLES AND I HAVE THEIR OWN RETIREMENT. THERE'S THEIR OWN LITTLE ENTITIES. YES. THEY'RE SPECIAL. THEY ARE SPECIAL. I HAVE QUESTIONS, ALL RIGHT. CAN I BRING UP SOMETHING FROM THE LAST MEETING FROM TWO DAYS AGO? YES, MA'AM. SO I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE SOME COLLABORATION ON THE GROUP HEALTH INSURANCE. I KNOW THAT OUR FOCUS IS TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, SO I JUST PERSONALLY HAVE A CONCERN. 
          I'VE TALKED TO A FEW EMPLOYEES ABOUT THE MAJOR SHIFT FROM HEALTH INSURANCE TO THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR. AND AS OUR CITY GROWS AND WE DO WANT PARKS AND WE DO WANT ALL THESE AMAZING THINGS. I WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING TAKEN CARE OF. AS SHERWOOD GROWS. I IT CONCERNS ME AS AN EMPLOYER BECAUSE I KNOW PERSONALLY IF MY BENEFITS GO DOWN, THE QUALITY OF EMPLOYEE THAT COMES TO WORK FOR ME GOES DOWN. SO THERE WERE A FEW EMPLOYEES THAT I TALKED TO TODAY THAT SAID, WELL, WE ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, DO HAVE MEDICATION COSTS. AND JILL, I APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH FOR GOING OUT OF YOUR WAY TO CALL BRIAN'S PHARMACIES. AND I KNOW THE MAYOR IS PROBABLY DONE ALL SHE CAN IN THIS AREA, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INSTEAD OF BRINGING US THE HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE CHOSE ON HEALTH INSURANCE, CAN WE MAKE IT MORE COLLABORATIVE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN DISCUSS IT AS A COUNCIL, CONSIDERING IT IS SUCH A MAJOR BUDGET ITEM AND SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE EMPLOYEES, TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE ON IT, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TALKED ABOUT PRIOR TO THE DECISION ALREADY BEING MADE. YEAH, WE I MEAN, HONESTLY, I WILL TELL YOU. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME BECAUSE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL LEAGUE GIVES YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR PRICE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. AND IT'S USUALLY A PRETTY QUICK WE HAD, WHAT, A COUPLE OF DAYS TURN AROUND ON IT. BUT THE SITUATION HAD GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE SOMETHING DRAMATIC HAD TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT IT JUST HAD GOTTEN OUT OF HAND. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT THE DIRECTION THAT WE DID. MY HOPE IS THAT GOING FORWARD, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL START BUILDING UP. BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU ALL IF YOU ALL WANT TO ADD MORE TO THE THE ALLOTTED AMOUNT OF H, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING. BUT IN TERMS OF WE COULD NOT DO A SPLIT THING ANYMORE. WE'VE TRIED THAT. WE COULDN'T. I MEAN, AND I WILL TELL YOU, EVEN THE COUNTY, THEIR DEDUCTIBLE IS 3000 BANGKOK AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR 5000. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST THE WAY THAT IT THE WHOLE MARKETPLACE HAS GONE. BUT IN TERMS OF IF THEY'RE IF YOU ALL WANT A DIFFERENT DECISION IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS FAMILY OR HOW MUCH GOES INTO THE H H, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S I MEAN, THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL CAN POTENTIALLY CHANGE. THAT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION IF I'M HEARING YOU. RIGHT. MONICA, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A SHORT TIME FRAME, BUT THIS HAPPENS EVERY SEPTEMBER, SO WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER. WE COULD HAVE A HEALTH INSURANCE WORKSHOP IF EVERYBODY LOVES WORKSHOPS, RIGHT? IT IS. YOU WANT TO CALL IT. YEAH. WE CAN HAVE A MEETING AND JUST YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT 
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THAT GO AHEAD JILL. OH WE DO NOT GET OUR RATES FROM OUR CARRIER UNTIL THIS YEAR. IT WAS OCTOBER 16TH. I HAD OPEN ENROLLMENT STARTING. WELL, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT A CALENDAR. WE GOT OUR RATES FOUR DAYS, I THINK, BEFORE OPEN ENROLLMENT STARTED. AND WE CAN'T PUSH OPEN ENROLLMENT BACK BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE NO TIME TO PROCESS EVERYBODY'S CHANGES, AND EMPLOYEES WON'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY. SO IT IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, DOABLE, BUT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO INVOLVE CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO ABNORMAL. IT'S NOT A NORMAL THING FOR COUNCIL TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DECISION ON HEALTH CARE. THE BUDGETARY. YES, BUT NOT THE THE HEALTH CARE. WHAT WE SEPARATE THOUGH. 
          WELL IT IT IN THIS CASE WE SAVED $900,000. SO THAT'S I GUESS WHY WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND MAYOR MADE THAT DECISION. I AGREE WITH THAT DECISION. WE JUST HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE OF TIMING. SO IF WE DID A WORKSHOP I GUESS, AND WE DECIDED IF THINGS ARE GOING TO INCREASE NEXT YEAR, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR YOU GUYS WHERE A QUORUM WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE. WE WOULD HAVE TO ACT THAT THAT FAST. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING WITHIN DAYS. SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, I CAN'T. THAT'S NOT MY. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHY WHEN I CHECKED ON IT THAT THIS IS TYPICALLY NOT CHARLES COULDN'T GIVE ME ANY CASES WHERE THE, THE COUNCIL MAKES THAT PART OF THE DECISION THAT THEY CONSIDER THAT TO BE THE PLAN IS THE ADMINISTRATION. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, IF YOU ALL WANT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU CAN DO IT NOW, I MEAN IT MY JOB IS TO PRESENT YOU ALL THE BUDGET. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU CERTAINLY CAN. BUT IN TERMS OF GOING WITH THAT DIRECTION, I WAS JUST FOLLOWING THE ADVICE THAT I WAS GIVEN IN TERMS OF THIS IS THIS IS HOW THE OTHER CITIES DO IT. YES. AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS HANDLED INCORRECTLY. I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE MOVING FORWARD, IF IT CAN BE MORE OF A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT I KNOW THAT A FEW EMPLOYEES THAT I TALKED TO SAID I'VE ALWAYS STAYED WITH THE CITY BECAUSE OF BENEFITS, AND NOW THAT THE BENEFITS ARE NOT AS GOOD AS THEY WERE, IT'S GOT ME QUESTIONING OR LOOKING INTO OTHER, YOU KNOW, JOBS. SO I SO AND I AND I AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE PEOPLE DO HAVE A TENDENCY AND I'D LIKE TO WALK Y'ALL THROUGH A SCENARIO THAT I HAD TODAY. OKAY. GOING TO PULL OUT YOUR YOUR PEN BECAUSE THIS EMPLOYEE WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE. A BIGGER DIFFERENCE THAN IT WAS. SO THIS WAS A FAMILY OF FOUR. THEIR MAXIMUM OUT OF POCKET IS 7500 FOR THAT FAMILY. 
          THE PLAN BEFORE THE MAXIMUM OUT OF POCKET WAS 4800. OKAY. SO THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT IS $2,700. THE CITY IS COVERING 1300 OF THAT. NOW WE'RE DOWN TO $1,400. WE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN, I DON'T KNOW, 15 YEARS. WE CHANGED THE AMOUNT THAT WE INCREASED THE AMOUNT WE'RE PAYING FOR FAMILY. SO NOW WE WE INCREASED THE AMOUNT WE'RE PAYING. SO NOW THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $600 THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER HAVING TO PAY. SO THEN THAT BROUGHT IT DOWN FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR TO $800. AND THEN WHEN YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 12 IT ENDED UP. AND THEN THE TWO PAYCHECKS A MONTH, AND IT ENDED UP BEING LIKE $30, 33, I BELIEVE DOLLARS AT THE END RESULT. NOW, BY US BEING ABLE TO SAVE THEIR WE SHOULD NOW BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE COLA, WHICH IS THE 3% WHICH I TOOK THAT PERSON'S INCOME. YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT IN WHICH THEY MADE AND THE THEY'RE GOING TO END UP WITH LIKE $180 INCREASE IN TERMS OF, EXCUSE ME, THEIR THEIR PER MONTH INCREASE. SO THEY'RE THEY'RE STILL OUT AHEAD BECAUSE OF THE COLA. AND WHAT A LOT OF THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T REALIZE IS WE WENT MANY MANY YEARS WITH NO COLA AT ALL BECAUSE OF TRYING TO KEEP THE BUDGET WITHIN BALANCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND I WILL TELL YOU, I DID FEEL A LOT OF PRESSURE AND THAT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
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WELL, HOW MUCH OUT OF THE RESERVES ARE YOU BUDGETING? HOW MUCH OUT OF THE RESERVES ARE YOU BUDGETING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN THAT FOR POTENTIALLY FOREVER. SO THESE ARE COSTS. SO LIKE WHEN YOU DO RAISES AND WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS THEY'RE ONGOING COSTS FOREVER. 
          THEY'RE NOT ONE TIME COSTS. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO BE CAREFUL WITH. IT DIDN'T END UP BEING WHEN WE SHOWED THE EMPLOYEE THE BIG HIT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. AND WE DO OTHER THINGS LIKE RETIREMENT THAT ARE BETTER THAN A LOT OF THE CITIES. BUT AND I DON'T I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT THEY MEAN, WHAT THE EMPLOYEE MEANS BY A HIT, BECAUSE THEIR DEDUCTIBLE IS STILL GOING TO BE 1200 JUST LIKE IT IS NOW. SO I THINK THE UPFRONT COST FOR SO AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN THE INSURANCE BUSINESS, MOST PEOPLE DON'T HIT THEIR MAXIMUM OUT OF POCKET. SO I'VE BEEN IN THE INSURANCE BUSINESS SINCE I WAS 18. 
          EXACTLY. VERY FEW PEOPLE HIT THEIR MAXIMUM OUT OF POCKET. NOBODY, YOU KNOW, VERY RARELY IS SOMEONE IN THE HOSPITAL OR HAS A CHRONIC CONDITION THAT CAUSES THEM TO HIT THAT NUMBER. 
          SO IT'S GOOD THAT OVERALL, IF IT IS WORST CASE SCENARIO, THAT WOULD BE A LOWER COST TO THEM. 
          BUT WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH IS THE MOM THAT HAS THREE KIDS THAT GETS SICK ALL THE TIME. 
          AND THAT JANUARY 1ST, YOU KNOW, A DOCTOR'S VISIT IS $180 AND IT'S GOING TO BE APPLICABLE TO THE DEDUCTIBLE. SO WHEN WHEN THEY TAKE THAT CHILD IN, THAT'S A CONCERN OF LIKE, HEY, I'M GOING TO HAVE THIS TIMES THREE. OR FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT DOES HAVE A HIGH COST MEDICATION, IT'S THAT FRONT END COST THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT FOR THEM. WHERE YES, WE'RE CREDITING THEM $325, BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT FRONT END COST TO MEET THE DEDUCTIBLE IN THE MEANTIME, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE TO DO IT TIMES, YOU KNOW, THREE CHILDREN. SO IT'S DEFINITELY THE FIRST DOLLAR COVERAGE THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH. AND THEN SOMEBODY TODAY, ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES MENTIONED, WELL, IF WE'RE OUT FOR MORE THAN TWO DAYS, THEN WE HAVE TO BRING A DOCTOR'S NOTE TO PROVE THAT WE WERE SICK. AND SO NOW WE'RE FEELING LIKE BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE JUST SAT AT HOME AND LIKE, DONE OUR MUCINEX OR WHATEVER, BUT NOW WE'RE FEELING FORCED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR AND HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY TO PROVE THAT WE WERE OUT ON SICK LEAVE. I SO THAT POLICY IS NOT THAT'S NOT A NEW POLICY. AND I BELIEVE IT'S IT'S THREE DAYS IF YOU'RE OUT MORE THAN THREE DAYS, NOT TWO, THAT WE NEED A DOCTOR'S NOTE BECAUSE THAT COULD TURN INTO FMLA. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE OUT FOR MORE THAN THREE DAYS, IT COULD TURN INTO FMLA. SO AND I THINK PUBLIC WORKS USED TO REQUIRE SOMETHING AFTER 1 OR 2 DAYS, BUT NOT ANYMORE. SO. IT BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE'RE SAYING, WAIT, WE WANT OUR HEALTH CARE COSTS TO GO DOWN SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY MORE. BUT THEN WE'RE REQUIRING AN EMPLOYEE TO GO TO THE DOCTOR IN ORDER TO COME BACK TO WORK AFTER THREE DAYS. BUT MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE OUT THREE DAYS. AND IF THEY ARE, IT TURNS INTO FMLA. AND THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE. BUT NOW WE DO HAVE THE LYRIC PROGRAM, WHICH THEY CAN CALL AND DO A VIRTUAL APPOINTMENT. WE HAD SOMEBODY, AN EMPLOYEE SPOUSE CALL FOR THEIR CHILD, GOT RIGHT THROUGH SET UP THEIR ACCOUNT DAY BEFORE IT WAS MONDAY. I THINK IT TOOK 45 MINUTES TO THE DOCTOR WILL CALL YOU BACK WITHIN 45 MINUTES TO 2 HOURS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT THAT IF YOU GO TO THE OR THE MEDEXPRESS OR. YEAH, THE URGENT CARE. SO THAT DOESN'T HIT. THAT'S FREE TO THE EMPLOYEE. SO THE MOM WITH THREE CHILDREN AND THAT'S THAT'S IN PLACE ALREADY RIGHT NOW. THAT'S IN PLACE ALREADY. YES. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I JUST NEED TO PUSH AND PUSH AND PUSH. AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T READ MY EMAILS FROM HUMAN RESOURCES. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT, AS I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY. WELL THAT'S TRUE. 
          SO I JUST NEED TO I JUST NEED TO PUSH THAT OUT MORE BECAUSE THAT MOM, ANY MOTHER, ANY FATHER, ANYBODY THAT WE HAVE WITH THOSE THREE KIDS, THEY COULD CALL LYRIC, DESCRIBE THE SYMPTOMS, GET A PRESCRIPTION, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO COST THEM ANYTHING BUT THE $4 FOR THE ANTIBIOTIC, IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, A GENERIC ANTIBIOTIC. AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SO THAT'S JUST ONE CASE. SO LYRIC I WE REALLY NEED TO PUSH THAT. AND, AND I KNOW I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MONICA AND I HATE IT. WE ALL HATE IT FOR, FOR THESE EMPLOYEES. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO HELP A MAJORITY OF THE EMPLOYEES AND THE THE ONES THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP RIGHT AWAY WILL BE ABLE TO WALK THEM THROUGH WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM. I JUST NEED THEM TO COME TALK TO ME AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE ISSUE I'M HAVING AND AND WE'LL HELP THEM IN ANY WAY WE CAN. SO I KNOW WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO PLEASE EVERYBODY, I KNOW THAT. ANYWAY. THAT'S JUST MY $0.02. SO IS IT IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A PROPOSAL FOR US TO FIGURE OUT IN THE BUDGET IF WE COULD UP THE EXPENSE? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE I UNDERSTAND I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU LADIES. SO I 
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DON'T WANT THIS TO COME ACROSS AS A ATTACK BECAUSE IT'S NOT I KNOW YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN. HEALTH COSTS HAVE GONE UP. THE COST OF LIVING HAS GONE UP. I MEAN, SO EVERYBODY IS ON A BUDGET. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERSON THAT'S GOT A HIGH DOLLAR MEDICATION THAT WAS ON A COPAY THIS YEAR THAT THEY DIDN'T. IT WAS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE $1,200. THEY WALKED IN AND THEY GOT THEIR HIGH DOLLAR MEDICATION FILLED AT WHATEVER THE COPAY WAS. AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TO WALK IN IN JANUARY. AND IT'S GREAT THAT THAT PHARMACY IS GOING TO WORK WITH US AND HOPEFULLY ALL THAT WORKS OUT. BUT WITH US SAVING, WHAT WAS THE SAVINGS, JILL, ON THE ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE COST 900,000. DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE TO DO THE THE 325 A QUARTER. SO THE 1200 A YEAR, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE TOTAL. 
          THAT'S YOUR THE THE AMOUNT THAT'S IN THERE IS IS EVERY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IF WE CAN'T I MEAN WELL YOU KNOW HOW INSURANCE WORKS. THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE ENROLLMENTS. NO. AND SO FORTH. I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE HSA. THAT IS HSA THAT'S IN THE BUDGET. THAT'S THAT'S ALREADY THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE THAT, YOU CAN I MEAN, I MEAN THAT I MEAN, MY PROPOSAL AT OUR LAST MEETING IS IF THERE IS A SITUATION LIKE THAT, THAT HR IS OPEN TO THOSE ONE OFF SITUATIONS TO WHERE IF THEY'RE QUARTERLY, PAYMENT IS NOT GOING TO COVER THAT UNTIL THINGS START KICKING IN, THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT ON A ONE ON ONE BASIS AND GET THAT MONEY UP FRONT. I MEAN, THAT THE THE TYPE ONE DIABETES PATIENT IS THE ONE THAT I BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH THAT EVEN WITH INSURANCE, I KNOW HOW MUCH THAT STUFF COSTS. IT'S OUTRAGEOUS. 
          AND JILL AND I, JILL AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS THIS WEEK. MEREDITH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL. I'M JUST I'M JUST ASKING A LEGAL QUESTION. DOES THAT NOT OPEN UP THE CITY TO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, TREATING SOMEBODY THE SAME. RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING. YEAH. THAT WAS NO, YOU'LL HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE WAY YOU DRAFT YOUR POLICY. IF, IF YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER GIVING MORE INTO THE EMPLOYEES HSA, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING AND WONDERFUL. THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT I'M TRYING TO OPEN, BECAUSE I KNOW WE CAN'T UNDO THE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SIGNED UP FOR, BUT I'M TRYING TO OPEN A CONVERSATION TO LET THE EMPLOYEES OF SHERWOOD KNOW THAT I KNOW THE MAYOR CARES ABOUT THEM. I KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT THEM. I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE ELECTED CARE ABOUT THEM AND THEIR HEALTH CARE AND THEIR COST, AND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND HERE. IF WE SAVED, HOW MUCH MONEY DID WE SAVE BY SWITCHING THE HEALTH PLANS? WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? 900,000. AND THAT'S NOT FROM LAST YEAR. THAT WOULD BE FROM TWO YEARS FROM COMPARATIVE IN 2026 TO WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERSUS WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING. YEAH. 
          AND SO WE DID THE 1300 TO BRIDGE THAT GAP OF THE TO MAKE THEIR COPAY 1200 TO 1200. SO WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO DO IS YOU I MEAN, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN A DIFFERENT NUMBER THEN YOU NEED TO LET JILL KNOW SHE CAN RUN THE NUMBERS AS TO WHAT THE EFFECT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE. NOW THAT THAT WILL DEFINITELY END UP. I MEAN BASICALLY YOUR YOUR BUDGETING THAT OUT OF RESERVE. SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT IT'S I MEAN WE CAN RUN WHATEVER NUMBERS YOU GUYS WANT US TO RUN OKAY. THE NOT I'M SORRY THE 900,000 IS THE SAVINGS. HAD WE KEPT THE SAME. EXACTLY. GIVING THE 1300 PLUS THE COST OF THE CITY PAYS IS KIND OF A WASH BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. SO RIGHT NOW BASICALLY. YEAH. SO IF WE GIVE IT KICK IN, ANY MORE MONEY, ANYTHING, IT WOULD COME OUT OF RESERVES. BASICALLY THAT PLUS ANY OF THE OTHER ASK THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN, WE'VE ALREADY DONE SO AND INCLUDING THE COLA. AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING. HAVING BEEN IN HR AND JILL KNOWS THIS. SOMETIMES THE EMPLOYEES AND I HATE TO SAY THIS, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THIS 3% IN HERE FOR COLA, BUT SOMETIMES THE EMPLOYEES HAD RATHER HAVE MAKE IT 2.75% AND TAKE THAT DIFFERENCE AND PUT IT IN THEIR INSURANCE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT TAXABLE AND THE COLA IS TAXABLE. AND IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE REALLY THAT ARE EMPLOYED. I'VE NOT HEARD THAT. I DIDN'T SAY OUR EMPLOYEES. I SAID SOME EMPLOYEES. OH I MEAN REMEMBER I'VE YEAH BEEN HR BUT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT SITES. BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT WHEN AND WE HAD GROUPS OF EMPLOYEES THAT TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW AND WE WOULD SIMPLY SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE, WE CAN PUT THIS MUCH IN A COLA, WE CAN PUT THIS MUCH TOWARDS YOUR INSURANCE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH AND THEY WOULD BE THE REPRESENTATION OF THE EMPLOYEES. AND THEY WOULD TALK AND GO BACK AND TALK TO THEIR GROUPS AND THINGS LIKE 
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THAT AND COME BACK AND DECIDE, WELL, WE'D RATHER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE BOARD WOULD MAKE THE DECISION. BUT IT'S THERE'S ONLY ONE POT OF MONEY. SO WE HAVE TO DECIDE THE COLA, THE INCREASE, THE HSA, BECAUSE WE'VE INCREASED OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE ENTIRE PREMIUM FOR THEIR INSURANCE AND FOR FAMILY ONLY FOR FAMILY, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR SINGLE. 
          WE'VE ALWAYS PAID 100%. 100%. YEAH. SO JUST FOR FAMILY, THE $50 A MONTH PUTS THE $600 BACK IN THEIR POCKETS ANNUALLY. WHICH COULD ALSO GO TOWARDS THE HSA. BUT ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS OR NOT EVEN SUGGEST, BUT JUST THROW OUT SPITBALLING, AS BRIAN GALLOWAY ALWAYS SAID, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING GIVING MORE TO THE HSA, WHAT YOU COULD ALSO, OR WHAT WE ALL COULD CONSIDER, WHAT YOU ALL COULD MAKE THE DECISION ON IS GIVING FRONT LOADING THE 1300 AND TAKING THAT CHANCE. IF SOMEBODY LEAVES, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE IT. WE'RE GOING TO LOSE. YOU'RE STILL SPENDING MORE MONEY NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU GO. SO THAT ALSO MIGHT BE ANOTHER OPTION. WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO DISCUSS. THE 1300 HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET, SO WE WOULDN'T BE TAKING MONEY OUT OF RESERVES IF WE DID THIS. CORRECT? CORRECT. BUT WE'RE RUNNING THE RISK OF FRONT LOADING SOMEONE THE MONEY AND THEN THEY LEAVE IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN YOU GOT TO HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEN YOU GOT TO FRONT LOAD THEM. SO ARE YOU ARE YOU ABLE TO TAKE IT BACK OUT OF THEIR CHECK OR. NO. NO, WE THEY HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO PAY US BACK. DISCUSSED THAT. IT WAS LIKE A IT'S LIKE A DEBIT CARD BASICALLY. YEAH. IT'S THEIR TAXPAYER DOLLAR. I JUST CAN'T SEE GIVING MONEY THAT UPFRONT ON THE I LIKE FRONT LOADING EACH QUARTER, NOT THE END OF THE QUARTER AT THE FRONT OF THE QUARTER. FRONT OF THE QUARTER, BUT NOT FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. I, I THINK THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND. SO I AGREE FOR NOT FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. AND Y'ALL CAN FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE WITH ME. I LIKE THE DEBATE, BUT I THINK THAT A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND WOULD BE TO DO ABOUT THE SEMI ANNUALLY. YEAH. SO THEN FOR THE PERSON THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR DRUG COST OR FOR THE PERSON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HAS THE HIGHER MEDICAL EXPENSE, IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THEM IN THE MIDDLE. AND THEN IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HALF OF 1300 IS THAT 650 THAT THEY WOULD GET IN JANUARY TO HELP THEM GET THROUGH THOSE FIRST SEVERAL MONTHS? I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING. SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME THE OTHER NIGHT. IF THEY'VE GOT THAT MONEY, THEN THEY CAN SPEND IT MORE WISELY. 
          SO AM I GOING TO GO TO URGENT CARE AND IT GO TOWARDS MY MONEY THAT'S IN MY FUND? OR AM I GOING TO CALL THE LYRIC? THE LYRIC. AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE COULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE A VERY EDUCATIONAL MAYBE MEETING WITH THEM. I'M NOT HR, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU WITH THESE COSTS THAT YOU CAN AVOID. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LET'S SPEND OUR MONEY WISELY SO IT CAN BUILD INSTEAD OF GETTING DEPLETED BEFORE THE SIX MONTH. WHAT IF WHAT IF YOU BALANCE THAT? MAYBE BECAUSE REMEMBER WE STARTED OFF LIKE ONCE A MONTH, BUT WHAT IF YOU FRONT LOADED FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS AND THEN YOU GO QUARTER AND QUARTER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MAY THAT I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THAT GIVES US SIX MONTHS OF THE FIRST SIX I LIKE THAT DO THE FIRST SIX MONTHS AND THEN GO TO THE QUARTER AND THEN DO EACH QUARTER. AND IT'S NOT FOR IT'S NOT THE FIRST SIX MONTHS EACH YEAR. IT'S THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF A NEW EMPLOYEE. BECAUSE THEN AFTER THAT, EVERYBODY GETS WELL, WE CAN WE CAN READDRESS IT FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT IT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO BUILD UP. RIGHT. THE AMOUNT THAT'S THAT'S IN THERE, THAT'S A COMPROMISE. RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE I MEAN, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE. S H H H A AND THE F S A IS THAT FSA IS A USE IT OR LOSE IT SITUATION. THE HSA IS BUILDABLE AND IT STAYS THERE. YEAH. YOU KNOW DON'T GET SICK. YOU GOT MONEY. YES. YOU KNOW OR IF YOU ARE GOOD ABOUT USING LYRIC FOR EXAMPLE VERSUS RUNNING TO, TO, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING THAT'S FREE VERSUS GOING. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO DO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S A CONSENSUS TO DO SIX MONTHS AND THEN QUARTER, QUARTER. IT'S GOT MY VOTE. I WOULD GO WITH THAT. THAT IS THERE ANYBODY WHO OBJECTS TO THAT. MAYBE THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY. NO. NO OBJECTIONS OKAY. 
          OKAY. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WE'RE DOING 650 IN JANUARY, FIRST PAY IN JANUARY, THEN WE'RE DOING QUARTERLY 325 IN JULY, 325 AND THEN OCTOBER 3RD 25. OKAY. FIRST PAY OF THOSE MONTH. AND IF EVERYBODY TAKES HER 650 AND LEAVES THE NEXT DAY, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO CHANGE THAT. YES. WELL, IT WILL BE TOO LATE BY THEN. YEAH. FOR ALL NEW EMPLOYEES, IT WON'T BE TOO LATE. BUT YOU'RE SAYING. I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT THERE YET. ANOTHER YEAR FROM THAT, BUT WE'RE SAYING PRESIDENT. AND IF CHANGES THEN, WELL, NEXT YEAR YOU ALL CAN RE LOOK AT THAT AND DECIDE OKAY, DO YOU WANT TO DO THE SAME THING NEXT 
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YEAR OR DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT UP. RIGHT. WELL YOU AND IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT TO IT WAS ABUSED OR IT WASN'T ABUSED. RIGHT. WELL I THINK YEAH I'M JUST SAYING IT MAY NOT HAVE DATA ON ALL OF THAT. I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S WORKING. AND ALEX PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT AS WELL, I'M SURE. YEAH, BECAUSE ASK ALEX. ASK ALEX. YES ASK ALEX. THANK YOU GUYS. I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL THING. THANK YOU AND GOOD DISCUSSION MONICA. BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL ARE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. THANK YOU. AND IT ONLY TAKES 1 OR 2 EMPLOYEES TO MESS SOMETHING UP. 
          AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE GETS AFFECTED BY IT. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EDUCATING, EDUCATING, EDUCATING. SO AND ON THAT NOTE, I ALREADY HAVE JJ'S, WHICH CHARLES ANGEL, WHO WAS HERE, HE AND HIS MOST INFORMED REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE HERE. I'LL BE SETTING UP EDUCATION SESSIONS OVER AT SHERWOOD FOREST FOR JANUARY. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT NOVEMBER, DECEMBER BECAUSE HUNTING AND HOLIDAYS AND WE'VE TRIED THAT AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. SO IN JANUARY WE'LL HAVE LOTS OF TIPS AND LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION FOR EMPLOYEES, AND YOU ALL ARE WELCOME TO JOIN IF YOU'D LIKE. STREET FUN. OKAY. IS THERE IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE AT? 748 AND IT'S NOT A TIME THING, BUT JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU ALL KNOW WHERE WE ARE. SO OBVIOUSLY I NEED TO SPLIT THEM DIFFERENTLY NEXT YEAR SINCE. SO ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAVE CHANGES IF YOU'LL SEND THEM TO ALEX? YEAH. ASK ALEX, SEND THEM TO ALEX AND THEN IT CAN BE DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE. AND SO WHAT'S THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD FOR US IS TO DISCUSS. SO IN NOVEMBER WE COULD DO WE COULD HAVE ALL THE THE BEFORE THE NOVEMBER CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. IN THE PAST WE WOULD DO LIKE A WELL I REMEMBER ONE YEAR WE WE DISCUSSED THE BUDGET FOR ONE HOUR AND THEN VOTED ON IT, BUT WE DID A QUICK WORKSHOP AND THEN DID. BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS MAYBE DO A WORKSHOP FOR AN HOUR OR 30 MINUTES BEFORE JUST ON NOTHING BUT THE BUDGET, WITH ALL THE SUGGESTIONS, AND THEN GET A CONSENSUS ON, OKAY, ARE WE CHANGING THIS OR ARE WE CHANGING, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE THAT AND THEN IT'LL GO BEFORE YOU. THE FINAL BUDGET IN DECEMBER TO VOTE ON. WE DO THAT AT A COUNCIL MEETING. WELL USUALLY THE DECEMBER. YES MA'AM THAT WILL BE AT THE END. REMEMBER THAT WILL BE LIKE THE 17TH. AND SO I GUESS FOR US, THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE PONDERING ON IS WE'VE GOT PRETTY MUCH $600,000 THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR. AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT YOU HAVE A LOT MORE THAN THAT. RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ALEX, CAN YOU SEND OUT THE CAN YOU EMAIL US THE LIST OF ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP THIS WEEK, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. AND THEN ALSO OR JUST CONSENSUS WISE, SO THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO JUGGLE SOMETHING ELSE. COLA AT 3%. IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT. WHAT IS WHAT IS THE NATIONAL COLA RATE FOR THIS YEAR? I THINK IT'S SOCIAL SECURITY. IT'S LIKE 2.8, 2.8. AND THEN YOUR AARP LETTERS AND THEN OLD ENOUGH TO BE RETIRED. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN WE'LL AND IT SEEMED LIKE WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THAT AS WELL. YEAH. AND I WOULD WANT TO ASK AND I'LL JUST SAY IT NOW, BECAUSE I KNOW CHIEF IS ASKING FOR NINE. I THINK ADDITIONAL PERSONS TO BE PICKED UP BY US. AND IF WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND, AND I'M, I'M THE QUESTION IS WHAT IF WE CAN ONLY DO 3 OR 2. IS THAT SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A CALL INTO HIM. OKAY. AND THE QUESTION AND I'LL LET EVERYBODY KNOW. ALL RIGHT. BUT I'M ASKING SPECIFICALLY IF WE CAN'T DO NINE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I, YOU KNOW, AND IT COULD BE 4.5 OR. WELL, I SPOKE TO HIM LIKE WHEN WE WENT OVER HIS BUDGET. I MEAN, IT IT'S NOT GOING TO BECAUSE HE WAS WHEN WE HAD DISCUSSED, WE HAD DISCUSSED ABOUT PRESENTING IT AS, AS WE DID. SO IT THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF UP TO YOU GUYS. IT'S NOT A SITUATION WHERE, I MEAN, SURE, HE WOULD LIKE TO GET AS MUCH MORE MONEY AS HE CAN, YOU KNOW, TO COVER ALL THAT HE, THAT HE CAN. BUT HE SAID WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL CAN DO ANYTHING. THAT WAS MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM. AND AT 5:00, HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER SCENARIOS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. YES. SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS GET A BREAKDOWN LIKE A PER PERSON, SO THAT YOU GUYS COULD 
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THEN BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND GO, BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT WE DO, LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT COMES OUT OF RESERVES, IT AFFECTS THE BUDGET. AND YOU DON'T WANT TO ADD IT NOW AND TAKE IT AWAY NEXT YEAR. GET ANOTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT YOU KNOW. YES. WELL AND THAT'S AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WERE THERE. WAS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL I DON'T THINK NOT THAT I KNOW OF. OKAY. I'M JUST SAYING WE THEY'VE GOT TO BE TREATED. OH ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH WE DO, WE DO. YES 100%. I'M JUST SAYING WE GOT. YES. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THINGS THERE COMING UP TO THAT. YEAH. THAT WE'RE WEARING. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW YOU TWO HAD MET IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT. NOT NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF YET. IT WAS NOT. IF THEY DID, IT NEVER CAME THROUGH ME. BUT THEY THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER MUCH CLOSER NOW THAN THEY WERE IN THE PAST. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY. 
          CHIEF SAWYER AND AND IS IT ANDY TRAVIS WITH THE OTHER ONE. SO REALLY THE I WOULD SAY I MEAN, CHIEF SAWYER IS THE ONE WHO'S REALLY TAKING HE'S HE'S MORE THE FULL TIME ANDY TRAVIS WHO'S OVER GRAVEL RIDGE. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT HE HAS A FULL TIME JOB WITH THE COUNTY. APRIL HAD BROUGHT UP THAT IF WE IN THAT SAME SENSE, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOVE AND BEYOND COLA, THOUGH, IF WE'RE PROVIDING FOR SHERWOOD, SHE SAID THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME KIND OF SOMETHING FOR GRAVEL RIDGE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS WAS SHE SPEAKING? I MEAN, THINKING BACK TO WHAT SHE SAID, YEAH, THEY'RE NOT IT'S THEY HAVE NOT COME TO PERSONNEL. 
          RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE NOT THEY DID NOT. THE REASON WHY CHIEF SAWYER WAS REQUESTING THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN THE NEW STATION CAME IN, THEY HAD THROUGH UNDER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, THEY WERE GIVING GRANTS, FUNDING, X AMOUNT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY HE HAS THAT IN GRAVEL RIDGE HAS NOT BECAUSE THEY GREW IN TERMS OF STATIONS. OKAY. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TOO. IT'S CORRECT ME BECAUSE I HAVE NOT VERIFIED THIS, BUT THE AD VALOREM WAS JUST INCREASED BY 8%, WHICH GOES DIRECTLY TO THE PROPERTY TAXES. YEAH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. CORRECT. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER WADE, I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVEN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN GRAVEL RIDGE YET. SO THERE'S STILL THE LAST TIME I SAW ANDY, HE MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE GETTING CLOSE. SO WE MIGHT I MIGHT TRY TO REACH OUT TO HIM TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR THAT MONEY AND GET AN IDEA OF IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEXT YEAR BUDGET CONVERSATION. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO HIM, HE SAID THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD PICKED WHO WAS GOING TO DO THE BUILDING AND THE PROJECT MANAGER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO MAYBE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ASK UNTIL THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. USUALLY THEY FOR THE MOST PART, THEY DO A LOT OF THAT FUNDING FOR THEMSELVES VERSUS BUT I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT COMES UP WITH THEM AND TALK TO THEM. YEAH. SO DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR DO YOU HAVE ON YOUR ASK LIST TO GET THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE HAD IN RESERVES AT THE END OF EACH YEAR SO THAT WE COULD DO BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP SAYING, WELL, IT HAVE TO COME OUT OF RESERVES. WELL, RESERVES NEED TO STAY HERE, NOT GO LIKE THIS. GO DOWN. SO JUST WELL AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY COGNIZANT OF. WE HAVE WAY BEYOND WHAT WE NEED IN TERMS OF RESERVES, BUT THOSE ARE ONE TIME POTENTIAL MONIES. I DON'T THINK THAT OUR RESERVES NEED TO BE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT. 
          NO, I MEAN, UNLESS WE ARE PLANNING SPECIFICALLY. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CALLING RESERVES? YEAH. SO YES. OKAY. TYPICALLY YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO SPEND YOUR RESERVES ON A CAPITAL PROJECT, NOT ON ONGOING EMPLOYEE COSTS. NO, NO, EXACTLY. I'M FULLY AWARE. BUT IT'S LIKE IF WE'RE I DON'T WANT THE IMPRESSION TO OUR TAXPAYERS THAT WE ARE HOARDING MONEY WITHOUT A PLAN SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THAT MONEY IS STILL IN THE BANK FOR. WELL, I MEAN, WELL, IT'S IT'S ALWAYS YOUR, YOUR JUST IN CASE. AND BY LAW WE HAVE TO KEEP SO MUCH. YES. 
          WELL AND AND ALSO WE BECAUSE WE ARE SO SALES TAX BASED. YES. WE TYPICALLY ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE AND VERY MUCH SO HAVE MORE SAVED UP JUST YOU KNOW BECAUSE BUT SO MAYOR I THINK IT WAS IN HERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF NUMBERS BUT HISTORICALLY WAS THAT IN HERE WHAT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN THE. YES. AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW HOW MUCH WE'VE LIKE WE'VE I WENT I WENT BLANK BUDGETED. HOW MUCH PREVIOUSLY HAVE THE RESERVES BEEN IN PRIOR YEARS IS WHAT I'M 
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ASKING. THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T HAVE. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I KNOW SOMETIMES WE BUDGET SOME OF THE RESERVES, BUT IT NEVER GETS USED. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHEN ON DECEMBER 31ST, HOW MUCH DO WE AS A CITY HAVE IN RESERVE? AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT MONEY'S TO GO BEFORE OUR KIDS IS GOING UP AND DOWN. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE BUDGET, BUT WE END UP NOT BUYING THE BOOM TRUCK OR WE COULDN'T GET IT THAT YEAR BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T MANUFACTURE. SO WE HAD TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER YEAR. EXACTLY. SO SIDEWALKS CAN'T GET DONE. STREETS CAN'T GET PAID BECAUSE OF WEATHER. I MEAN, MONEY THEN BECOMES OUR FUND BALANCE RESERVE. WHAT'S LEFT OVER FOR THAT YEAR MAKES SENSE. AND TYPICALLY THAT'S CARRIED OVER. CORRECT. IS THAT MY FROM LOOKING AT WHAT WE WERE GIVEN. CORRECT. WE CARRY THAT NUMBER OVER. THAT'S AN INTERESTING NUMBER FOR US TO SEE. AND MAYOR, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONE UP AND UP AND UP THE RESERVE AMOUNT? WELL I WOULDN'T I MEAN NOT EVERY NO, I MEAN NOT. SO WE HAD ONE YEAR WHERE WE GOT ALL THE FEDERAL ARPA FUNDS. AND SO WE TOOK A BIG JUMP UP THE COVID MONEYS. RIGHT. AND SO THAT WAS A THAT WAS A BIG KIND OF MANNA FROM HEAVEN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. RIGHT. SO BUT IN TERMS OF IT'S BEEN VERY CONSISTENT. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE REALLY TAKEN OUT OF THAT IS WHAT THE COUNCIL ALLOCATED FOR THE NEW FACILITY BEING BUILT. THAT'S IT. AND AND THAT'S WHY I'M WANTING TO KNOW BECAUSE NOW AS OUR RESERVE, BECAUSE OF THAT PUBLIC WORKS GONE DOWN, HOW SUBSTANTIAL IS IT. HAS IT BALANCED OUT SOME. AND HAVE WE RECOUPED ANY MONEY BACK UP. ARE WE GOING BACK UP NOW. BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS OF LONGITUDINAL DATA GIVES YOU A TREND. YES. AND ANYTHING PRIOR TO 2020 I THINK IS IRRELEVANT FOR THE SHEER FACT THAT THE COVID MONEY CAME IN AND SAID IT'S A BAR. YES. AND WE'VE GOT THAT TO CONTINUE WITH. YEAH, WE'LL ASK ALEX, DID WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL. I KNOW THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK. THANK Y'ALL. AM I SUPPOSED TO BRING YOU TO. THANK YOU? YEAH. AND A BOTTLE OF TUMS. I SAY THAT SHOULD BE AN OFFLINE QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE READY FOR ADJOURNMENT? OKAY. AMEN.
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