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          COUNT FOR CHLOE REAL FAST. OH, YEAH. YEAH YEAH, YEAH. ALRIGHT, GUYS, IT'S 5:00 AND WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START OUR WORKSHOP. CHIEF, YOU WANT TO COME UP THERE? THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT CHIEF AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS AS AN IDEA. IT WOULD AFFECT THIS BUDGET. SO THIS IS KIND OF IN YOUR HANDS, BUT YEAH. 
          SO FLOOR IS YOURS. SO THE MAYOR AND I HAD A DISCUSSION AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT WE'VE HAD SOME NOT THE BEST PUBLICITY AND NOT THE BEST NECESSARILY FRONT FACING INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER. AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF ADDING A POSITION UP THERE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY THAT WE HIRED AND DESIGNED FOR THAT PURPOSE. AND SO THE KIND OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO YOU IS TO TO FEEL Y'ALL OUT AND SEE HOW YOU WOULD FEEL ABOUT HIRING LIKE A KIND OF A, I GUESS, COMMUNICATIONS PUBLICIST KIND OF ROLE FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF DEALING WITH VOLUNTEERS, DOING COMMUNITY EVENTS, BEING THE THAT WOULD DEAL WITH THE THE SOCIAL MEDIA ASPECT OF OUR ANIMALS UP FOR ADOPTION TO BE ABLE TO TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, TO SCHEDULE MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND TO HEAD THOSE UP. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE THERE'S A LOT OF THE MEDIA OUTLETS LIKE THE MORNING SHOWS THAT WILL DO, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL THEY WILL PUT A A PET UP, YOU KNOW, AN ADOPTED PET THAT YOU CAN THAT YOU CAN GET OUT THERE AND SHOW THEM THE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE NOW IS THAT WITH THE, WITH THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT STAFFING THAT WE HAVE, IT'S JUST IT'S ALL THAT WE CAN DO TO KEEP THE TO KEEP KEEP THE, THE SHELTER RUNNING IN THE TIME IT TAKES TO HANDLE ALL THE ANIMALS AND, AND TO GET THE FACILITY OPEN. AND THEN OUR ACOS ARE OUT ON THE ROAD. THERE'S JUST REALLY NO TIME FOR ANY ONE PERSON TO BE ABLE TO TO TAKE ON THOSE ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES. SO THE THOUGHT WAS JUST TO KIND OF PRESENT IT TO Y'ALL AND KIND OF FEEL YOU OUT AND SEE HOW Y'ALL WOULD FEEL ABOUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I SPOKE WITH JILL THIS MORNING, PROBABLY THE SALARY RANGE WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ON A POSITION LIKE THAT WOULD BE KIND OF EQUIVALENT TO WHAT OUR PIO MAKES, AND THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF AROUND PROBABLY $40,000 A YEAR, WITH TOTAL PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 55 AND $60,000 A YEAR WITH BENEFITS AND RETIREMENT. SO KIND OF LOOKING AT LIKE SIMILAR TO WHAT EMILY DOES IN TERMS OF SHE DOES LIKE POLICE PIO A LITTLE BIT AND THEN SHE DOES LIKE FOIA TYPE OF STUFF. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT SHELTER JUST TO OPERATE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT'S BUILT, THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED AND SO FORTH. AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO CREATE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CULTURE AND ENVIRONMENT UP THERE. BUT CERTAINLY THE MORE THAT WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THIS THE SHELTER USED TO NOT BE OPEN WITH LATER HOURS. IT IT IS NOW WE DO STUFF ON SATURDAYS, BUT I KNOW IN TERMS OF WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT A VOLUNTEER TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY PERHAPS SHOULD NOT DO, AND THEN THEY COULD END UP GETTING HURT. AND SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF KEEP EYES ON THAT TOO, AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ASSIGNED APPROPRIATE ANIMALS AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS. AND IN TERMS OF THAT. SO IT ENDS UP KIND OF TAKING AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO DO THE JOB. BUT WE WE WANT TO. BUILD A POSITIVE CULTURE UP THERE. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. AND. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, CABOT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE SOMEONE AND THAT'S ALL THAT THEY DO AT THE SHELTER IS WORK ON, YOU KNOW, 
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MARKETING. AND SO JUST A QUESTION. WELL, COMMENT ONE THIS THIS AFTERNOON I DID HAVE ONE OF THE AFTERNOON SHOWS, I THINK IT WAS ON CHANNEL FOUR ACTUALLY. AND THEY HAD OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF US, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD A LIVE PERSON FROM THEIR ANIMAL CONTROL WITH A DOG ON THEIR AFTERNOON SHOW. SO I CAN SEE THAT BENEFIT THERE. SO. THAT AND I, I, I ALWAYS HAVE THE LOCAL SHOWS ON WHEN I'M, WHEN I'M AT HOME, I HAVE THE TV ON ALL THE TIME, BUT WHETHER I'M WATCHING IT OR NOT, I'M PASSING THROUGH, IT'S ON. AND I SEE A LOT OF THESE SHOWS THAT HAVE THE ANIMALS ON OR THEY HAVE PICTURES ON OR WHATEVER. AND SO I DO SEE THAT BENEFIT. BUT WITH THIS PERSON BE DOING OTHER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE WORKING WITH VOLUNTEERS, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE DOING SOCIAL MEDIA. WOULD THERE BE OTHER DUTIES ASSIGNED TO THIS PERSON OUTSIDE OF THOSE DUTIES? BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE ADOPTION EVENTS. THERE'S ALWAYS. AND I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT, SO I WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU. WELL, THERE'LL BE ONE OTHER WILL THERE BE OTHER DUTIES ASSIGNED TO THAT PERSON? BECAUSE THERE MIGHT THERE'S GOING TO BE LAX TIMES AND THAT STUFF. AND THE SECOND ITEM IS WE DO HAVE THAT MOBILE ADOPTION UNIT. IS IT UP TO SPEED. IS IT RUNNING NOW AND WILL THAT WILL WE BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT OUT TO THESE EVENTS. THAT'S MY TWO QUESTIONS. SO IN ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION, I THINK IN THE BEGINNING IT WOULD PROBABLY PROBABLY BE A PRETTY FULL TIME JOB BECAUSE THE KIND OF THE JOB DUTIES THAT WE WE HAVE INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT OF WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD THEY WOULD BUILD PROFILES ON EVERY ANIMAL THAT'S IN THE SHELTER, PHOTOGRAPH THEM, UPDATE THE WEBSITE TO WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE THE ADOPTABLE ANIMALS AND BE ABLE TO READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM, HOW OLD THEY ARE, AND TO BE ABLE TO TO MANAGE THAT WITH ON ON MULTIPLE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AS WELL AS WITHIN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, EVEN LIKE THE THE BILLBOARDS THAT WE HAVE THE, THE, THE SIGN LIKE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL AND THE SIGN THAT WE HAVE AT THE NORTH SUBSTATION. SO I THINK INITIALLY THERE WOULD BE IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A PRETTY GOOD QUANTITY OF WORK IN THE VERY BEGINNING. BUT TO YOUR POINT, IF AS THAT STREAMLINES AND THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH NOT ONLY VOLUNTEERS BUT ALSO WITH BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH, WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT THAT DO RESCUE AND, AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE CAN FIND TO TAKE SOME OF THESE ANIMALS. YOU KNOW, SOME ANIMALS ARE ADOPTABLE, SOME ARE NOT. AND, AND AND BE ABLE TO TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TRADITIONALLY WE'VE TRIED TO GET THE THAT WE'VE HOPED THAT WE COULD GET MORE OUT OF THE MANAGER UP THERE. THE PROBLEM THAT WE RUN INTO IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE THERE ARE SO MANY ANIMALS IN THERE. AND THE WAY THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE HAD THIS IS NOT NEW TO Y'ALL. Y'ALL HAVE HEARD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO TO TURN THAT SHELTER AS FAR AS GETTING ANIMALS OUT, CLEANING, GETTING THEM BACK IN, FEEDING THEM ALL THAT TAKES PLACE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. SO IT'S JUST AND SO THEY'RE LIMITED AS TO THE FREE TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK ON THIS STUFF. AND SO WE'VE JUST NOT WE CAN'T EVER GET TRACTION WITH THAT TRYING TO GET IT. THIS PERSON THAT THAT WOULD BE THEIR ROLE WOULD BE TO TO BE THAT THAT THAT FRONT FACING PART FOR THE SHELTER TO GET THAT, TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE. SO WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT ADOPTING THOSE ANIMALS AND BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH RESCUES AND VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS. TO THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION. AGAIN, BECAUSE OF LACK OF TIME AND PLANNING, WE DON'T DO AS GOOD A JOB AS WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT MOBILE ADOPTION UNIT AND HAVING THESE EVENTS. YOU KNOW, IDEALLY, WE WOULD HAVE AN EVENT ONCE A MONTH OF SOME SORT WHERE THAT MOBILE ADOPTION UNIT WAS OUT THERE AND WE WERE WE WERE DOING DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH STAFFING AND THE WAY IT IS, THAT'S LIKE THIS WEEKEND. I MEAN, WE HAD EVERYBODY GOT SICK AND WE HAD PEOPLE I MEAN, WE WE BARELY HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE. WE HAD SOMEBODY HAD TO COME IN 
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SICK SUNDAY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS. AND SO YOU JUST WE HAVE A TOUGH TIME SOMETIMES BECAUSE THAT I THINK PEOPLE FORGET THE FACT THAT EVEN THOUGH THE SHELTER'S NOT OPEN ON SUNDAY, AND EVEN THOUGH THE SHELTER IS, IS IS OPEN ON SATURDAY AND ALL OF THE WEEKDAYS, THAT THERE'S STILL THAT PROCESS STARTS AT SEVEN IN THE MORNING AND IT DOESN'T END TILL SOMETIME. WE CLOSE AT SEVEN UP THERE, SO IT GOES BEYOND THAT. BY THE TIME THAT THEY GET THE ANIMALS DOWN. SO AND YOU HAVE SEVEN EMPLOYEES. AND SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SEVEN DAY A WEEK, YOU KNOW, 352 WEEKS OUT OF THE YEAR THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT. SO YOU JUST THE STAFFING IS JUST IT'S DIFFICULT AND IT'S THEY GET THE JOB DONE. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE EXTRA TIME TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET AS INVOLVED IN THE OUTWARD FACING STUFF THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO. AND THAT WAS WHY THIS THAT WAS THAT WAS HOW THIS THIS CAME ABOUT WAS HOW DO WE GET THAT? HOW DO WE GET THAT REPUTATION BACK? HOW DO WE GET OUT THERE AND, AND, AND BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND PUT THAT, THAT INFORMATION OUT? SO THAT'S WHERE THIS I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. AND JEFF HAVE A QUESTION TOO. FIRST OFF, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF 24 SEVEN, BUT NOT EXACTLY THAT. BUT THERE'S NO OFF DAYS. I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECT. HERE'S HERE'S THE THING I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. 
          OKAY? WE AS A CITY HAVE A PIO FOR THE CITY, AND WE HAVE AN EVENTS COORDINATOR. BUT BETWEEN CHLOE AND HEATHER, THAT IS TWO PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE DOING THOSE THINGS. THEY'RE NOT JUST FOR CITY HALL, THEY'RE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. THEY DO EVENTS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. I CAN'T SEE WHY WHY OUR CITY PLANNER, I MEAN, OUR CITY EVENTS COORDINATOR COULDN'T HELP SCHEDULE JUST LIKE THEY DO. THE WINTERFEST KEPT SCHEDULE A ANIMAL ADOPTION FEST WITH YOU GUYS. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ISOLATED TO ANY ONE DEPARTMENT. IF I SEE IF YOUR REQUEST GOES THROUGH, EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD'S GOING TO ASK FOR AN IO1 FOR PARKS AND REC, SO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW ABOUT ALL THE PARKS. I THINK OUR CITY WIDE PIOS, THAT'S THEIR JOB TO HELP YOU, THAT YOU SHOULD COME TO THEM AND HAVE THEM HELP YOU. YOUR IDEAS ARE GOOD AND I SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS AN EXTRA STAFF PERSON BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOING EVENTS AND PIO IN THE CITY ALREADY. RIGHT. AND DO YOU REALIZE THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS WE NOW HAVE WITH THE CITY AND THE AMOUNT WE WENT FROM HAVING A FACEBOOK PAGE TO WE ARE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GROWN, MAYOR. I MEAN, WE WE TREMENDOUSLY AND WE HAVE EVENTS ONGOING ALL THE TIME. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY ARE ALL HANDS ON DECK TO GET READY FOR THIS WEEKEND, BUT WINTERFEST TAKES MONTHS AND MONTHS OF PLANNING. IT'S LIKE, I DON'T THINK YOU REALIZE JUST HOW MUCH WORK THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING TO CREATE ALL THESE EVENTS AND TO DO ALL THESE THINGS. AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SHELTER IS DOGS COME IN AND OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND CATS, THEY CAN'T BE AT THE SHELTER EVERY SINGLE DAY TRYING TO PHOTOGRAPH, DO PROFILES, KEEP IT UPDATED. WHO'S DONE THIS? WHO'S I MEAN, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC FOR ANYBODY TO BE ABLE TO DO. WELL, THE OTHER PART OF THAT, I WAS GOING TO CONTINUE TO SAY THAT I REMEMBER WHEN YOUR NEW MANAGER, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL ALL THE ATTRIBUTES THAT SHE BRINGS WITH HER TO THIS, THIS ROW, SINCE IT TENDS TO BE A TREND, A MODERN DAY RUNNING OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER. WHY DOES SHE NOT HAVE THOSE SKILLS ALREADY? OR IF SHE COULD BE TRAINED WITH OUR GOOD IT FOLKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? I'M JUST NOT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR A NEW POSITION FOR THE REASONS I JUST STATED. WELL, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, JEFF. I'M JUST SAYING I, I AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST AND LISTEN, YOU KNOW, I CAME IN HERE AT, AT THE MIDNIGHT HOUR WITH THIS AND THIS WAS AND I GET THAT WE JUST, WE, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD THROW IT OUT THERE AND, AND AND SEE HOW Y'ALL FELT ABOUT IT. THE TO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT VANESSA, VANESSA PROBABLY SHE SHE CERTAINLY HAS A LOT MORE SKILL THAN I DO. BUT THE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN JUST TO, JUST TO KEEP UP WITH, WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND SHE JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE HOPING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO. IT'S JUST WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE CAN'T GET CAUGHT UP ENOUGH TO DO IT, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S JUST WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE TIME AND THE DAY TO GET IT ALL DONE. AND I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS REALIZE EITHER, THAT NOTHING WAS COMPUTERIZED WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. PAPERS EVERYWHERE. THERE WAS NO 
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TRACKING OF EVERYTHING. THAT SHELTER WAS A IT WAS FILTHY. THERE WERE PROBLEMS OUT THE WAZOO THAT THEY HAD TO. THEY HAVE COME SO FAR. IT IS IT IS CRAZY IN TERMS OF WORKING HARD TO DIGITIZE, TO TO GET THINGS CLEANED UP, TO GET THINGS BETTER ORGANIZED. BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION. THERE'S A COMPLAINT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMPLAINTS OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. WHAT DO WE DO TO MAKE IT BETTER? SO IF THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU CAN'T EXPECT THAT WE CAN REALLY MARKET THESE, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BE ABLE TO MAN THE MOBILE UNIT ON THE WEEKENDS. BUT MEANWHILE YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY BACK AT THE SHELTER, BECAUSE WHAT IF SOMEBODY'S BRINGING IN AN ANIMAL AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AOES OUT THERE BEING ABLE TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY? IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S JUST NOT THAT THAT SIMPLE. I WISH IT WAS, BUT IT'S NOT. EXCUSE ME. ALEX, WHAT PAGE IS THE ANIMAL SHELTER ON? I KNOW IT'S IT'S TOWARDS THE BACK. YEAH, IT'S IT'S 21, 2121. OKAY. IT'S NUMBER. I JUST I GUESS MY PROBLEM, I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS I REALLY DO, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I JUST OUR ANIMAL SHELTER NEEDS HELP. I'M NOT DISAGREEING. IT NEEDS A LOT OF HELP. AND I'M TIRED OF SEEING IT GET BASHED ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND DRAGGED THROUGH THE MUD. 
          AND I GUESS WHEN I WAS WORKING THE VOTING THE OTHER DAY, I HER COMMENTS AND THOSE COMMENTS I DIDN'T APPRECIATE COMING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC REALLY THAT HOW FAR OUR ANIMAL SHELTERS GONE DOWN. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THE CONDITION IT'S GOTTEN INTO. AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS IF IT HAPPENED OVERNIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, THEY I MEAN, I MEAN, MY COMMENT WAS JUST WITH CURRENT STAFF, SINCE WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THOSE POSITIONS, COULD THEY NOT LEND ASSISTANCE SINCE IT'S FOR THE WHOLE CITY? THAT'S MY COMMENT. SO BASICALLY BECAUSE I THINK I SAID THREE TIMES, I LIKE YOUR IDEAS YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, I JUST ANOTHER PERSON. SO LET ME, LET ME JUST ASK THIS. SO BASICALLY, HEATHER, NOT WE JUST HEATHER IS THE PIO. PIO. HEATHER IS SHE'S MORE OF A COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR. WHAT SHE DOES GOES WAY BEYOND, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HANDLING THE THE SOCIAL MEDIA. SHE'S ASSISTS WITH EVENTS. SHE PUTS OUT THE NEWSLETTER WHICH THAT THAT IS A LOT OF WORK. I MEAN SHE DOES THE CALENDAR. SHE DOES ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS REALIZE HOW INTENSIVE ALL THAT ACTUALLY IS. CHLOE IS THE EVENTS COORDINATOR, RIGHT. SO SHE REALLY DOES NOT DO ANYTHING PUBLIC RELATIONS RELATED. THEY BACK EACH OTHER UP, YOU KNOW. BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE A TEAM. KATIE HELPS OUT AS WELL WITH IT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW WE HAVE GONE FROM HAVING TWO EVENTS A YEAR TO HAVING EVENTS ALMOST EVERY SINGLE MONTH. WE HAVE FREE FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. LOOK AT WHAT LOOK AT HOW HUGE JULY 3RD IS, THE COORDINATION, THE MANPOWER THAT GOES INTO THAT YOU GUYS HAVEN'T. 
          WHEN YOU SEE WINTERFEST, YOU'RE GOING TO BE BLOWN AWAY BY EVERYTHING. NOW THAT THAT THEY ARE DOING. AND THAT TAKES A LOT. I MEAN, THAT IS THEY HAVE GONE TO BUSINESS AFTER BUSINESS AFTER BUSINESS, ESTABLISHING RELATIONSHIPS AS WELL AS GETTING CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD OCCASIONALLY GO OVER. BUT WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE IS JUST NO WAY THAT SOMEBODY OVER AT CITY HALL CAN BE THERE TO UPDATE, TO KEEP THE ANIMAL PROFILES, TO TRAIN THE VOLUNTEERS, TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH. THERE'S JUST NO WAY. I MEAN, THAT'S OKAY. I MEAN, I'LL CHIME 
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IN. I MEAN, AS SOMEONE WHO DOES A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THIS PERSON WOULD DO. AND I'M CURRENTLY IN A POSITION OF A SOLO WITH A LOT OF OTHER DUTIES. THERE'S NO WAY. I MEAN, LIKE, I NEED A SECOND PERSON IN MY OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS FULLY AND EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HOURS IN THE DAY. AND TO DO IT RIGHT. AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT TO DO IT RIGHT AND FULLY, I'M NOT SURE THAT WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE AND THEIR DUTIES, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE THE ATTENTION THAT IT NEEDS WOULD NOT BE THERE. OKAY. SO THAT'S I MEAN, YEAH, I CAN SEE IF THE IF THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO GO, I CAN SEE IT NEEDING TO BE A FULL TIME POSITION. JIM DAVIS ACTUALLY SAID TO ME AND HE'S BEEN HE'S BEEN TOUTING THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. HE SAID, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU NEED WHEN SOMEBODY WALKS IN THE DOOR, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SELL THE ANIMALS. YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO MATCH UP WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WITH THE RIGHT ANIMAL AND PUT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER. I SAY. BUT IN SAYING THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FULL JOB DESCRIPTION. GOOD POINT. I GET, I GET THE I GET THE SOCIAL MEDIA SIDE OF IT. I GET THE I GET THE COMMUNICATIONS AND THE WEBSITE SIDE OF IT. BUT I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS MORE OF WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE POSITION THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FILL, IS NOT GOING TO BE JUST A GENERAL PERSON OFF THE STREET THAT SAYS, OH, I HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS, I CAN DO THIS. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH ANIMALS. WELL, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH ANIMALS, BUT THEN THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE FORTITUDE TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND REBUILD THESE RELATIONSHIPS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS BACK UP WITH THE SCHOOLS, WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD PARTNERSHIPS. I MEAN, I SEE THIS BEING A PARTNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, BUILDING POSITION AS WELL. MANAGERS. RIGHT. THEY'RE PARTNERING LEADING THE WAY. YES, YES. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A STAFF PERSON THAT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SENDING OUR DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, ONCE A WEEK OR TWICE A WEEK, YOU KNOW, WITH A SWEET LITTLE BABY TO GO GET THEM ADOPTED ON TV. BUT THERE STILL HAS TO BE SOMEONE THAT'S BEHIND THE SCENES DRIVING THAT FORCE. AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT WE I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE HEARD IT, I THINK I MEAN, I HOPE EVERYBODY BY NOW HAS BEEN UP TO THE SHELTER. IT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR CURRENT STAFF CAN HANDLE. 
          AND I MEAN, AS FAR AS LIKE ANIMAL, YOU KNOW, ANIMAL SERVICES STAFF AND I DON'T THINK WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ADDED, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS EVENTS IN THE CITY, JUST KNOWING, I JUST KNOW WHAT MY EVENTS THAT I PERSONALLY DO TAKE, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD TAKE ON AND DO THE JOB IN THE CAPACITY OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, IF THAT. I MEAN, I THINK THEY COULD PICK UP PIECES OF IT. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR I MEAN, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SLIGHT OUR CURRENT COMMUNICATIONS STAFF BY ANY MEANS. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IF WE WENT IN THAT DIRECTION, THEY COULD DO THE JOB THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. THAT'S MY $0.02. YEAH, AND THAT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION. MY PURPOSE FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT WAS JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE THAT JOB DESCRIPTION. I WILL IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN, I WILL GET THAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND I WILL SEND IT TO Y'ALL. WE JUST WERE KIND OF WANTING TO FILL OUT THE WATERS TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, OR AND IF SO, WE'LL WE CAN, WE CAN WE CAN MANUFACTURE THAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND GET IT OUT TO YOU. AND WE CAN DO THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. I'M NOT 100% AGAINST IT. I MEAN, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I UNDERSTAND I'M IN SUPPORT, CHIEF. I'M IN SUPPORT. SO I REALIZE AS A BUSINESS OWNER I CAN WORK MYSELF TO DEATH. I GET IN HERE AT 510, BUT AN EMPLOYEE, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS NOT QUITE AS INVESTED AS A BUSINESS OWNER. SO THEY'VE GOT BETTER BOUNDARIES THAN SOMEBODY THAT OWNS THE BUSINESS DOES. SO I CAN APPRECIATE SOMEBODY THAT SAYS I'M MAXED OUT. THIS IS AS MUCH AS I'M WILLING TO DO, AND THE BUCK STOPS HERE WITH ME. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE ON THESE OTHER DUTIES. THAT'S VERY REALISTIC. AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S FAIR. AND SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE MOVE ON BECAUSE WE SPENT 30 MINUTES ON THE ONE ITEM THAT WASN'T ON OUR AGENDA. SO SURE. BUT WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL. 
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DO YOU WANT US TO INCLUDE A POSITION WITH A JOB DESCRIPTION? DO YOU WANT CHIEF TO SEND YOU A JOB DESCRIPTION AND THEN YOU RESPOND TO HIM, I DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME IN DECEMBER AND PUT IT IN HERE. IF THIS IS NOT SOMETHING Y'ALL WANT, PUT IT TO THE ADD IT TO THE ASK LIST AND GET GET THE DATE IN. YEAH. YES, WE'VE GOT NINE. WE'VE GOT NINE. ASKS YEAH. NOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A JOB DESCRIPTION. YEAH ME TOO. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. I'M NOT SO MUCH WORRIED ABOUT THE DUTIES AS I AM. AS FAR AS WHAT YOU WANT THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE. YEAH. 
          OKAY. I'LL GET THAT AHEAD. ALEX. THANK YOU. BECAUSE THAT CAN DETERMINE ALSO THE SALARY SIDE OF IT. OKAY. YOU WANT TO GO DOWN YOUR LIST OF. WELL. SO JUST ADDRESSING THE EMAIL THAT I SENT OUT ON FRIDAY AND I GAVE EVERYONE A COPY OF IT, THE ITEMS IN THE ASK LIST THAT ARE STILL PENDING FOR TONIGHT ARE LISTED AT THE TOP. THE COMPLETED ITEMS DON'T CHANGE. 
          THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR. IT JUST REALLY AMOUNTS TO SPLITTING OUT SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED. CHANGING TITLES IN SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS THAT MAKE IT LESS CONFUSING AND THE LIKE. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IN EACH DEPARTMENT AND IN THE BUDGET OVERALL HAS NOT CHANGED. WHAT MAY CHANGE IT ARE THE PENDING ITEMS THAT YOU SEE THE TOP THREE THAT YOU SEE IN THE IN THE EMAIL? AND ALEX. YES, THERE WAS ALSO THE ITEM THAT I BROUGHT UP THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE. YES, THAT AS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS SENT OUT TO YOU. I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT. BUT IT WAS SENT OUT TO YOU AS I UNDERSTAND IT. I'M SORRY. SO IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WAS SENT OUT BY JILL. IT WAS OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT WITH ME. THE RETIRED COUNCIL. OKAY. YEAH. SO DO YOU WANT TO HEAR NUMBER NINE? SO THAT WOULD BE NUMBER FOUR. IT WOULD BE NUMBER FOUR. OKAY. LET'S HOW ABOUT WE JUST IF Y'ALL WOULD JUST WRITE THAT IN OKAY. THE RETIREMENT COUNCIL OKAY. AND THEN LET'S START WITH NUMBER ONE JILL CAN YOU COME FORWARD. DO YOU WANT TO. AS SHE COMES UP CAN I JUST ASK I JUST ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN FRONT OF YOU? YES. OKAY. I JUST KNOW SOMETIMES THAT GETS A LITTLE. I MEAN, YEAH, OKAY. SO I MEAN, WE KNOW IT'S RECORDED AND IT'S PUBLIC. SORRY, I JUST WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION OF A SALARY ADJUSTMENT DUE TO THE CHANGES IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU GUYS. JILL, DID YOU SEND OUT INFORMATION TO THEM? OKAY. DID EVERYBODY RECEIVE THAT EMAIL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RANGES IN TERMS OF OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THE REQUEST HAD BEEN MADE FOR ONE NIGHT? FIVE IS WHAT WHERE WE LEFT THINGS WITH THE LAST. WE ALSO HAD CHANGED THE THE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN OUT OFFICE EXPENSE. DO YOU ALL WANT TO JUST CHANGE THAT TO EXPENSE? YES. NO I DON'T, BUT I THOUGHT WE I MENTIONED THE MOVE IT TO THE SALARY. WHY NOT? I MEAN, I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT MOVING TO THE SALARY. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN WAS. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE PLAN WAS, WAS TO TAKE IT OUT AND MOVE IT TO THE SALARY. BECAUSE THERE'S NO OFFICE EXPENSE. WHEN WE HAVE AN OFFICE IN, IN THE COURTS. RIGHT. BUT YOU DO HAVE EXPENSE FOR ALL THE OTHER POSITIONS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, CAR AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT RETIREMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S ALL BASED ON SALARY, NOT ON EXPENSE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO MR. COBB IF IT WAS PUT INTO HIS SALARY. RIGHT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING WITH ALL THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHETHER THAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY THE MAYOR, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SO FORTH, YOU HAVE A SALARY AND THEN YOU HAVE AN EXPENSE, WHETHER I MEAN, I HAVE MY OWN OFFICE, TOO, BUT THERE'S STILL AN EXPENSE. SAME THING WITH CITY CLERK EXPENSE. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I, I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT STAYING IN AN EXPENSE LINE. OKAY. JUST TAKE THE WORD OFFICE OFF. AS LONG AS IT'S COUNTED TOWARDS THE 119, OKAY. BECAUSE HE HAS TO DRIVE TO THE JAIL AND HE HAS, YOU KNOW, HE HAS CAR AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO REIMBURSEMENT. CORRECT. RIGHT. 
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SO THE QUESTION IS THOUGH, THE 119 PLUS KEEPING TURN THE MIC ON REIMBURSEMENT. OH SORRY. 
          OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF BUT DO WE WANT DO WE WANT TO LEAVE THE EXPENSE AT THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ONE QUESTION. AND DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THE SALARY. THERE'S TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS THERE. IS IT 119 INCLUSIVE OF THE EXPENSES. IF IT IS, I THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL, RIGHT. FOR IT TO BE OVERALL. 119 FIVE I WOULD LIKE THE SALARY TO BE 119 FIVE AND I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT OFFICE EXPENSE AT THIS POINT. IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. BUT THE EXPENSE COULD BE INCLUDED AS THE 119 FIVE WELL, I WON'T I WOULD LIKE FOR IT ALL TO BE SALARY THOUGH, BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU WOULD, BECAUSE THAT WOULD GO TO YOUR RETIREMENT. THAT'S NEGOTIATION. WE AIN'T CRAZY, STEVE. I KNOW. WE'LL DO. THE EXPENSES ARE. HOW MUCH ARE THEY? EXPENSES RIGHT NOW? 6000. 6006. THEN I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT, IT'S ALL IN SALARY AND NOT A SEPARATE EXPENSE ITEM. IF WE'RE IF THE GOAL IS TO MAKE IT THE TOTAL 119. MAYOR, MAY I ASK WHAT YOUR EXPENSE. MY EXPENSE? WELL, MY IT'S 8000, RIGHT? WE JUST CHANGED IT TO 8000. IT WENT FROM 9000 TO 8000 NOW. OKAY, SO SALARY PLUS 8000 EXPENSE, CORRECT? OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT GIVES ME SOMETHING TO WORK OFF OF IN REGARDS TO THAT NUMBER. THANK YOU. OKAY. REMIND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS WOULD LIKE ME TO REMIND YOU GUYS OR HER AT LEAST OF MY PHONE CALL. WE DISCOVERED THAT CHIEF HAGER, DUE TO THE 7% THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GOT, AND JUST BECAUSE HE'S AN OVERALL BEST POLICE CHIEF EVER MADE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MAYOR. SO WE TOOK FROM MAYOR'S $9,000 EXPENSE ACCOUNT. WE TOOK $1,000 OF THAT, MOVED IT TO MAYOR'S SALARY. SO HER BASE IS NOW MORE THAN THE POLICE CHIEF OR MORE THAN ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT SHE SUPERVISES. THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. AWKWARD. YOU'RE WELCOME WHEN YOU START TALKING. I KNEW IT WAS OKAY. OKAY, SO ARE YOU LAUGHING? THANKS, BEVERLY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO. BUT YOU YOU ARE CONSIDERED A PART TIME CITY ATTORNEY IN OUR LANGUAGE, BUT YOU ARE DOING ANOTHER JOB, SO LET'S UPDATE THE LANGUAGE. BECAUSE IF THE LANGUAGE SAYS HE'S PART TIME, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THESE NEW DUTIES HAVE CREATED A FULL TIME POSITION. I HAVE BECOME FULL TIME IN TERMS OF MY TIME, AND I HAD TO GIVE UP MY PRIVATE PRACTICE THAT I HAD, I'VE HAD SINCE THE INCEPTION OF MY POSITION. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE, KENNY, BECAUSE IT WAS AN ELECTED POSITION. YOU CAN. I'M NOT IN THE MIDDLE. I'M NOT SAYING WHAT. YOU JUST CHANGE THE WORD TO FULL TIME, BUT IT HAS. IN REALITY, IT HAS BECOME A FULL TIME JOB WITH WITH THE ADDED DUTIES OF THE PROSECUTION AND THE ADDED COURT DUTY THAT I HAVE. SO, MR. COBB, HOW DOES THAT WORK? THE NEXT TIME AN ELECTION WE TURN THIS INTO A FULL TIME POSITION. YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT AFTER THE FIRST OF NEXT YEAR. OKAY. THE FILING PERIOD FOR THE NEW, FOR THE NEW OFFICE, FOR WHOEVER FILES. I THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE. WE WANT TO MAKE THIS A YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DECIDE WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS POSITION. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THIS. WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO, WE WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND NOT AT THIS TIME. 
          DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE AT THIS TIME, NOT AT THIS TIME. BUT FOR THE RECORD, IT'S SHOWING THAT WE ARE RECOGNIZING IT'S A FULL TIME POSITION. YES, JUST BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATION THAT CAME DOWN LAST YEAR. RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE SALARIES. BECAUSE BENTON IS SIMILAR IN POPULATION AT 35,000 AND THEY'RE THEY'RE LISTED AS A PART TIME CITY ATTORNEY AT 112. 
          YEAH. AND THEN THE NEXT CITY UP MAYBE WOULD BE BELLA VISTA. LET'S SEE A RUSSELLVILLE. LET'S SEE. RUSSELLVILLE IS 28,000 AND THEY'RE AT 104. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT SOME SIMILAR SALARIES. CONWAY 64,000. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE AT 125. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT SOME SIMILAR SALARIES ON THE WHAT YOU SENT OUT. SO AND THEN IF YOU MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO FIGURE OUT THAT MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. AND LIKE YOUR EXPENSE OR WHATEVER TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BALANCE WITH THAT. WELL UTILIZING THE SIX WHETHER IT STAYS IN THE LINE ITEM OR GETS MOVED UP TO SALARIES, THE GAP IS $10,734. YEAH. TO GET TO THE 119 FIVE, IF WE AGREE THAT 119 FIVE IS THE RIGHT AMOUNT. CORRECT. AND BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU START THESE NEGOTIATIONS 
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WITH AN ASK AND WE'LL SETTLE FOR SOMETHING ELSE. WELL, I WILL SAY THAT I DIDN'T COME AT YOU WITH SOMETHING TO TO BID. I CAME AT YOU AT THE NUMBER THAT I THOUGHT WAS FAIR, GIVEN WHAT THE MAYOR AND THE CHIEF WERE MAKING. OKAY. AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK LANGUAGE MATTERS. SO WE GO, OH, YOU KNOW, WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR. AND I GET IT TO UPDATE THE WORDING. BUT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IF THEY SEE THAT, WELL, THE ATTORNEY HAS A PART TIME POSITION. SO THEREFORE ACCORDING TO OTHER ATTORNEYS WHO SHOULD BE PAID AT A PART TIME POSITION, THAT'S UNFAIR TO HIM. IF HE'S WORKING A FULL TIME POSITION, THEN THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE STATED. 
          SO THEREFORE HE IS COMPARED TO OTHER FULL TIME ATTORNEYS IN COMPARISON OF OF SALARY. SO I THINK THAT NOT ONLY DOES THE SALARY NEED TO BE AMENDED, BUT THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE AMENDED AS WELL AS THE HOME OFFICE, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST, BEFORE I WAS EVER ON CITY COUNCIL THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS AN HOME OFFICE EXPENSE OR AN OFFICE EXPENSE, BUT HE WORKS AT HOME. SO LET'S REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKE IT FAIR TO GO. IT'S AN EXPENDITURE FOR MILEAGE AND OTHER THINGS. SO THAT WAY THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T TURN THAT INTO SOMETHING NEGATIVE THAT SHOULD BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I AGREE WITH YOU, MONICA. MISS COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. SO IF YOU MADE YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU MADE HIS EXPENSE THE SAME AS MY EXPENSE. NOW WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF THE GAP? AND THEN MAKE YOUR SALARY ADJUSTMENT. IF YOU MOVE THE IF YOU MOVE THE EXPENSE UP TO EIGHT. UTILIZING THAT EIGHT INTO THE 119 FIVE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 8734. BUT WHAT HE'S ASKING IS THAT THERE'S NOT BE AN EXPENSE LINE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, THESE SALARIES, EXCEPT FOR TWO, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS WAY BELOW ALL OF THEM AND IS $8,000 BELOW THE AVERAGE. YEAH. BUT YEAH. SO IT'S 8000 BELOW THE AVERAGE FOR A FULL TIME ATTORNEY. WELL HE'S JUST LOOKING AT EVEN IF YOU GO BACK TO WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU'LL DO THE CALCULATION OF AVERAGE CITY'S PLUS OR -5000. THE AVERAGE THERE IS 125. YEAH, 7850. I MEAN, HIS REQUEST IS COMING IN BELOW COMPARABLES. WELL, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN COUNCILPERSON TREATED I AGREE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT FULL TIME PART TIME. BUT BUT I ALSO AGREE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN CHANGE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF WE CAN'T CHANGE. WE CAN'T JUST CHANGE. LIKE WE COULDN'T JUST DECIDE TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE FULL TIME COUNCILMEN AND CHANGE OUR SALARY. YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE HE WAS ELECTED AS A PART TIME, RIGHT? BUT HE CAN'T BECAUSE THE STATE LAW IS WHAT CAUSED HIM TO. FULL TIME. STATE LAW SUPERSEDES AN ORDINANCE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DIDN'T SAY HE HAD TO GO TO FULL TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IF IT WAS STATE LAW, THEY JUST THEY THEY CHANGED THE, THE COURT. THE COURTS. YEAH. THIS OFFICE HAS NOT HAD A RAISE SINCE 2001. WELL, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE. WE CANNOT CHANGE HIS TITLE FROM A PART TIME CITY ATTORNEY TO A FULL TIME CITY ATTORNEY. HIS JOB DUTIES HAVE CHANGED, BUT HE IS STILL A PART TIME CITY ATTORNEY. HE'S ASKING FOR A RAISE BASED ON HIS JOB DUTIES, NOT ON THE TITLE OF HIS POSITION. THAT'S WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS. AGREED. OKAY, SO WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONLY 20 MINUTES TO TACKLE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS. IS THERE A WAY TO PUT IT AS SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME, AS SEPARATE LINE ITEM, AS ASSIGNED JOB DUTIES BASED ON STATE STATUTE? THEN IT'S NOT SET IN THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT PERSON. IF IT'S NOT, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IN TERMS OF STATE STATUTE? I'M SORRY. AS FAR AS THE STATE, WELL, I'M SAYING STATE STATUTE, WHEN THEY GAVE ALL THE CITY ATTORNEYS MAYBE CAME OUT OF THE COURTS THEN. SO STATE STATUTE, WHEN THE COURTS GAVE THE CITY ATTORNEYS WORKING IN THE COURTS THAT RESPONSIBILITY, THAT WAS THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, HE PULLED THE DEPUTY OUT. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, IS THAT YOU TOOK THE PROSECUTOR'S. I'M NOW SWORN IN AS A SPECIAL. IT WAS SOME GOVERNMENT BODY MADE IT CHANGE THEN. YEAH. THE PROSECUTOR. PROSECUTOR. OKAY. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE WE DIDN'T HAVE A SAY IN THAT. I PULLED THEM OUT. SO IS THERE A WAY TO DO A LINE ITEM AS FAR AS THE COUNTY, WHAT THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED SO THAT IT'S SUPPLEMENTING THE INCOME THAT YOU SHOULD BE RECEIVING FOR DOING THE EXTRA JOB THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM OUR CITY, RATHER THAN ADDING IT TO, TO BUDGETED. OH, SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, HAVE CITY ATTORNEY 
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94,000 OR 99,000? YES. COURT ATTORNEY SO AND SO MAKE IT. BUT IT WOULD BE SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS DOING THOSE DUTIES BRIDGES TO GET IT. SO IT'D STILL BE HIS SALARY. IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME AMOUNT. IT WOULD JUST BE A SEPARATE LINE. YES. WOULD IT STILL CAN BE CONSIDERED ALL SALARY? YES. IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE YOU WERE GETTING A SALARY FOR DOING THE SECOND POSITION THAT I JUST WANT THAT TO. HE'S SAYING THAT UNTIL WE CAN CHANGE THE LAW OR CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. WELL AND, AND I AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO FIND OUT FROM LIKE THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE DOES THAT LIKE WHEN HE RETIRES THAT THAT DOES THAT NOW ALL BE CONSIDERED ONE THING OR IS THAT NOW SEPARATE? LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHEN I SPOKE TO THE OTHER CITIES ASKING WHAT THEIR CITY ATTORNEY IS PAID, MOST OF THE OTHER CITY ATTORNEYS DO THE PROSECUTOR PROSECUTORIAL DUTIES, AND IT'S NOT SEPARATED IN ANY SORT OF LINE ITEM. IT'S IN THEIR WHOLE SALARY. SO THE NUMBER YOU SEE HERE INCLUDES THE PROSECUTING JOB DUTIES. SO I COULD FIND OUT FROM THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE IF THERE'S A WAY TO SEPARATE IT OUT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL ARE REQUESTING. AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT IT LONG TERM? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTION BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE YEAR AND A BIG CHANGE FOR SIX MONTHS. CAN WE WE MAY HAVE TO DO ANOTHER ONE OF THESE BEFORE THE GIST, WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE MINUTIA OF SOME OF THIS FIGURED OUT. 
          ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WANT WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THE 119? SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS SAYING AND AND I IN SOME WAY, IN SOME WAY COMBINATION OF WHAT THESE ARE OKAY, I'M NOT AGAINST THE 119 BASED OFF OF WHAT OTHER. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT THAT IS THE GOAL. IF WE GET THAT SETTLED THEN WE WILL WORK WITH YOU. NO, I'M NOT AGAINST IT BEING ON HIS SALARY. I JUST KNOW YOU'RE THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY HIS TERM IS LISTED AND WHICH ARE 100% VALID. RIGHT. I JUST WANT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET HIM HIS SALARY NOW, THAN WE CHANGED THE VERBIAGE OF HIS TERM THE NEXT GO AROUND AS WHAT I WAS THINKING JUST I DON'T THINK PART TIME LIKE YOU ALL. IT'S STRANGE BECAUSE YOU ALL, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE CONSIDERED FULL TIME. THE CITY ATTORNEY IS CONSIDERED PART TIME. IT DOESN'T MATTER. NOBODY CARES IF. 
          AND I DON'T MEAN THAT RUDELY. IT'S. HE WORKS LIKE A FULL TIME PERSON. YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT HE SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR. AND IF STEVE DECIDES NOT TO RUN NEXT YEAR AND WE WE DO DECIDE IF WE MAKE THIS FULL TIME, MAKE IT ANOTHER ELECTED POSITION, WE WOULD BE LUCKY TO GET ANOTHER ATTORNEY, EITHER AS AN EMPLOYEE OR ELECTED FOR ONE 1905 FULL TIME, FULL TIME. SO. OH NO, I WAS WRONG. SORRY. I WAS JUST ASKING. IT WOULD JUST BE THE SALARY OF THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          THAT'S MY ASK. SO CAN YOU. LET'S GET SOME ANSWERS TO SOME QUESTIONS. THE GOAL IS SOMEHOW TO ONE 1905 AND THEN IF THAT'S. AND THEN LET'S GO ON TO THE WE'VE GOT THREE MORE THINGS WE NEED TO TRY TO HIT. ALTHOUGH I THINK NUMBER THREE, WE HAD ALREADY DECIDED WE WERE FRONT LOADING IT. SO REALLY IT'S THREE MORE THINGS. SO NUMBER WE'VE GOT THE FIRE CHIEF JOHN SAWYER'S REQUEST FOR CAN WE FIND ANY THE FRONT LOADING. JUST MAKE SURE THE FRONT LOADING WE'VE DONE THE SIX MONTHS AND THEN QUARTER AND QUARTER. RIGHT OKAY OKAY. SO FRONT LOADING FOR 12 MONTHS $650 WILL GO TO EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO HAS THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH PLAN IN THE FIRST PAY IN JANUARY, 325 WILL GO ON TO THEIR HSA CARD IN JULY AND THEN AGAIN IN OCTOBER. SO SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING THE WHOLE ANNUAL. AND WE DID NOT GO THAT WAY. WE DID NOT GO THAT ROUTE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO NUMBER THREE, WE'VE AT LEAST ACCOMPLISHED ONE. OKAY. NUMBER TWO, WE'RE ON TO THE FIRE CHIEF. WE HAD A REQUEST FOR NINE POSITIONS. IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE'VE GOT WITH EACH POSITION I THOUGHT IT WAS LESS THAN THIS. 
          BUT YOU'VE GOT DOWN HERE 71,000. WELL THAT WAS THE COLA. THE 71,000 WOULD BE THE O THE COLA. 
          OKAY, WELL, I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT. WE NEED TO ADD THE COLA. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT ONE CHECK. WE'RE DONE WITH THAT. NOW WE'RE DOWN TO. POSITIONS. 
          HOW MANY POSITIONS? AND AND SO FOR EACH POSITION I BELIEVE CHIEF SAWYER, IT WAS 60 
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SOMETHING THOUSAND, 63,000 WITH THE COLA THOUGH I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS WHAT THE COLA DID NOT INCLUDE THE COLA. OKAY. 64 890 WITH COLA. THANK YOU. 64 890 I SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL WHERE IT HAD ONE POSITION, TWO POSITION, THREE POSITION SO THAT YOU GUYS COULD LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE A DECISION AS TO DID YOU DO WANT TO DO ONE? DID YOU WANT TO DO NINE? DID YOU WANT TO DO SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN? AND IF WE COULD JUST KIND OF. THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT REMIND ME AGAIN FOR THE 27 WAS DONE IN WHAT YEAR? MARCH 1ST OF 1999. OKAY. YEAH, I KNEW IT WAS 14,000. AND SINCE THEN, I'M JUST GOING TO THROW OUT WHAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO. I DON'T THINK THAT NINE IS ATTAINABLE FOR THIS YEAR. HOWEVER, FROM 1999 TO 2025, THE AMOUNT OF ROOFTOPS JUST WITHIN SHERWOOD CITY LIMITS HAVE GROWN TREMENDOUSLY. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE WE DO SIX. I WAS GOING TO GO FOR THREE. SO WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU GUYS, WHATEVER WE DO NOW IN THE BUDGET IS HERE ON OUT. WE CANNOT ELIMINATE THESE POSITIONS. REALISTICALLY, ONCE YOU HAVE THOSE POSITIONS. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING ANYTHING PAST WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WRITTEN IS OUT OF RESERVES, CORRECT? YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IF WE LOOK AT THIS NEW ANIMAL CONTROL PERSON. YEAH. AND WE LOOK AT STATE ATTORNEY SALARY, SALARY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS I MEAN WHAT ABOUT FIVE. WELL I WAS GOING TO FOUR. WAIT. CAN I ASK HIM IF IT NEEDS TO BE MULTIPLES OF THREE. AND HE SAID NO BECAUSE WE'VE MENTIONED THREE SIX AND NINE. 
          SO I THOUGHT WELL FOUR. SO THE NUMBER ASSOCIATED WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL IS WHAT IT IS 64 890 THANK YOU. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL FROM ME WHERE IT WILL SHOW YOU THE BOTTOM LINE OF 28 ON NOVEMBER 21ST. YES, ON ON EACH ONE OF THEM. SO YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF HIT IT WILL BE TO THE BUDGET. 259 I'M SORRY THIS IS RELATED. AND ALEX, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS OR MAYBE JILL. SO WE ARE 65% OF OUR $30 MILLION BUDGET IS PERSONNEL. THAT'S EXCELLENT. IS THAT IS THAT ON TRACK WITH OTHER CITIES OUR SIZE? BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE USING ALL OUR MONEY FOR PEOPLE AND THEN WE'RE NOT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR THE AMENITIES AND THE. 
          WELL, THAT THAT WOULD BE I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE BIGGEST AMOUNT OF THAT IS YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR POLICE, YOUR FIRE, YOUR. AND SO THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE LIKE TRIMMER, TRIMMER, IT'S LIKE, NO WHERE. WE WERE 65% LAST WHERE WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVEN'T GROWN OTHER THAN IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE WILL NOW BE FULLY WE'LL HAVE ALL POSITIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME. THAT'S WHERE OUR BIG GROWTH WAS IN PERSONNEL, BECAUSE MY CONCERN WAS THAT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN OUR ELECTION DIDN'T PASS, THIS BUDGET DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN IN ANY PROJECTS. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. VEHICLES REPLACING OLD, OLD EQUIPMENT. AND WE'RE ALREADY TAKING OUT OUR RESERVES. AND SO IT'S ALL PEOPLE. YEAH. SO I JUST IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT MORE FIREFIGHTER POSITIONS. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WE'RE PULLING OUT OF RESERVES BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY NOT WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OTHER ACTIVITY. WE'RE NOT. YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE NOT REPLACING OLD VEHICLES. WE ARE REPLACING SOME OLD VEHICLES. YEAH, WE ARE BUYING I KNOW SEVERAL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND A COUPLE HERE AND THERE, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT. 
          THERE'S NO THERE'S NO FLUFF. YOUR CAPITAL INTO THE BUDGET. SO WE COULDN'T CONTINUE THIS WAY AND AND NOT UPDATE OUR AMENITIES AND OUR TRUCKS LIKE THIS WILL NOT BE THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE. CORRECT. EXACTLY. WELL, THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF GROWING THE CELLS. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT. BUT THE BOAT THAT WE'RE IN, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE. WE NEED TO CUT IT. IT'S MAYBE NOT A GREAT YEAR TO BE INCREASING POSITIONS WITH A 65%. AND THERE'S ALSO I MEAN, WE WE IT SEEMS LIKE NOT NOT JUST THE CITY, EVERY PLACE THAT DOES A BUDGET, YOU KNOW, YOU CRAM EVERYTHING IN. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN'T SLOW DOWN. AND IF WE LOOK AT THIS IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, WE CAN ADD YOU REALLY THOUGH HURT OPERATIONS WHEN YOU DO THAT. BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING A LOT OF, 
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YOU KNOW, A LOT OF SUDDENLY. NO, WE'RE ACTUALLY I REALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY REALLY NOT THERE'S NOT VERY MANY ASSETS IN THIS AT ALL. WHEN I WAS ON BUDGET ADDITIONAL THE NINE. YEAH. THEN WE CAN DO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, BUDGET WORKSHOP. BUT WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL WE HAD ONE HOUR AND WE PASSED THE BUDGET. THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT WAS NOT UNUSUAL. THAT WAS NOT UNUSUAL. WELL, I THINK I MEAN, I KNOW I WAS ASKED, I MEAN, I WAS. REACHED OUT TO BY CHIEF SAWYER A WHILE BACK, SO. YEAH, IF JEFF HAD COME, HE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN FIVE. THOSE ARE GREAT POINTS, COUNCIL MEMBER BRODERICK. THANK YOU. I DO I DO APPRECIATE YOU BOTH. COUNCIL MEMBER BRODERICK AND WADE BRINGING UP YOUR YOUR POINTS AND BUT CHIEF IS IT IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY CONTRIBUTING TO THESE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS THEN GIVES Y'ALL ADDITIONAL FUNDS WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO BUY ADDITIONAL TRUCKS? IT DOES. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OUT OF OUR CIRCUMSTANCE. FIRE TRUCK ACCIDENT TOTALED OUT ONE OF OUR FIRE TRUCKS. SO I NEED TO PURCHASE TWO. AND RIGHT NOW PURCHASING A FIRE TRUCK, PAYING EXTRA TO TAKE THE COMPUTERS OFF OF IT IS $990,000. THAT IS THE LOWEST BID THAT WE HAVE. 990 I HAVE A THE LADDER TRUCK THAT WE JUST SPENT $60,000 ON A MOTOR THIS YEAR. THAT BUYS US TWO MORE YEARS IN THAT TRUCK. BUT THAT TRUCK NOW IS 2.7 MILLION. AND SO, YES, BY FREEING UP SOME OF OUR FUNDS WHEN IT COMES TO SALARIES, IT WILL FREE UP MONEY. AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE FIRE STATION, STATION THREE. THAT'S PHYSICALLY COLLAPSING RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. THAT IS A CITY OWNED BUILDING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO HELP, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE BRUNT OF THAT. BUT THAT STATION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE REPLACED. 
          AND SO STATION THREE IS AT SHERWOOD AVENUE AT THE END OF SHERWOOD AVENUE. AND THAT IS A CITY OWNED BUILDING. BUT WE'RE WILLING TO, LIKE I SAID, FREEING UP SOME MONEY WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THAT, IF NOT ALL IN THE FUTURE. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY'S ASKING, YOU KNOW, WE ALL NEED HELP. AND I CAN'T HELP WHEN THAT THAT THAT TIME COMES. OKAY. WHAT WERE SOME OF THE FROM WE'VE HEARD THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS WAS THINKING FOR. WE'VE GOT A SIX OVER HERE. WHAT WERE SOME I'M FOR. I'M OKAY WITH FOUR. THANK YOU. WHAT WERE SOME OF THE OTHER I WAS THINKING FOR WHENEVER I, WHEN I GOT THE EMAIL. YEAH OKAY. WE'VE GOT FIVE. WE'VE GOT HE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN FIVE. BUT IF WE LOOK AT THIS ANIMAL CONTROL THING, YOU GUYS MAY HAVE COVERED IT BEFORE I GOT HERE. 
          SO IF WE DIDN'T, WE'VE GOT. WELL, BECAUSE I'M ASKING ABOUT RESERVES BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. IT'S RIGHT HERE ON THAT THAT EMAIL. 
          YEAH. YEAH. I JUST DON'T WANT OUR SAVINGS BEING DRAINED. BUT I WILL GO WITH FOUR IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS. I DON'T WANT TO ROCK THE BOAT. YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE DONE OUT OF RESERVES IS THE AMOUNT FOR THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE NEW FACILITY, PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, MAYBE FOUR FOR FOR COUNCIL MEMBER WADE BRODERICK, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCULLOUGH. TREAT, I NEED YOUR OPINIONS, PLEASE. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING. SO I KNOW WE TOOK OUT 7 MILLION FROM RESERVES LAST YEAR, BUT OUR RESERVES HAVE STAYED STEADY. SO WHERE IS IT MOVING TO? LIKE WE HAVE NOT USED THEM ALL SO ON IT. SO WE'LL USE THE REST OF IT IN TERMS OF THIS YEAR. WELL SO LAST YEAR WE TRANSFERRED 7 MILLION FROM RESERVES INTO GENERAL FUND BUDGET. RIGHT. WE JUST HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T USED IT ALL THE BUDGET. WELL YEAH. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE IMPACT THAT YOU'RE SEEING FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. WE DIDN'T USE THEM ALL. YEAH. IT WAS JUST THE 6.2. SO AND THAT'S BEEN CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S WHY THE RESERVES HAVE STAYED SO HIGH AS WE'VE BEEN CAREFUL WITH EXPENDITURES. WE ONLY USE 3 MILLION SO FAR BECAUSE THAT'S YEAR TO DATE. AND PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR IT'LL BE MORE LIKE FIVE. SO SO OUR RESERVES, WE'RE POTENTIALLY GOING TO HAVE 16 MILLION, NOT 18 MILLION, BECAUSE WE WILL USE TWO OF THEM. THAT'S RIGHT. YES. 
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IN THE BLUE. YEAH. YEAH. BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS BECAUSE THAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT YOU GUYS HAD ALLOCATED THAT 6.2 THIS WAS THERE'S BEEN NOTHING UP AND BEYOND THAT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND. SO WE'LL HAVE 16 MILLION IN RESERVES. AND IF WE PUT 5 MILLION AS THEY CAN'T TOUCH IT IS THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO THEN WE HAVE 1111 MILLION. SO WE'RE PULLING FROM RESERVES JUST TO FUND OUR, OUR JUST DAY TO DAY EXPENSES. SO WE JUST NEED WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT. YEAH. WELL AND THE THING I THINK THAT WAS ALARMING IS THAT 2025 IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT WENT DOWN. ALL THE OTHERS CORRECT. IT GREW EVERY YEAR, GREW EVERY YEAR. AND THAT WAS IT WENT DOWN. AND THAT WAS ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE THAT WE ALLOCATED FOR. SO. RIGHT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE WE GOT A BIG JUMP WITH COVID MONEY. EVERYBODY DID. BUT THERE'S NO MORE OF THAT. SO OUR RESERVES AREN'T. YEAH. WELL NO ACTUALLY WE DID GROW AFTER COVID. RIGHT. BUT I DO THINK WE DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL AND WE NEED TO BE CONSERVATIVE. AND I THINK AT THAT POINT IS VERY WELL TAKEN. SO WE'RE THANK YOU. THAT'S WHY YES, I JUST I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE SAID THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT OF RESERVES AND WITH FOR WHAT WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT I SENT YOU ON THE WITH FOR FUNDING GOING TO BE? 259 FIVE 6259 560. OKAY. ARE WE COUNCIL MEMBER WADE ARE YOU MY OPINION IS I'M NOT GOING TO WIN ANY FRIENDS WITH THIS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE DOING ANYTHING THAT SALARY OR SALARY RELATED OUT OF RESERVES. I LIKE RESERVES TO BE WHEN WE DO SPEND THEM. YEAH, A PROJECT, A ONE TIME THING THAT'S THAT'S A POPULAR DON'T LIKE GOING TO TO WHETHER WE USE IT OR NOT. AT THIS POINT WE'RE BUDGETING SALARIES OUT OF RESERVES. OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BRODERICK, YOUR OPINION I'M KIND OF THAT SAME MINDSET. WE AGREED TO TAKE 7 MILLION FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECT AND SIX POINT. YEAH, THAT WAS A I WOULD SAY AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR RESERVE FUNDS AT THAT TIME. ALEX, HOW MUCH OF OUR BUDGET FOR SALARIES IS COMING OUT OF RESERVE? 660 5.4 NO, NO, NO, 65% OF OUR WHOLE BUDGET IS SALARIES. BUT HOW MUCH OF THE RESERVE THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED IS DESIGNATED FOR SALARIES FOR THIS BUDGET? I'M ASKING ALEX, I MEAN, WE IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. WELL, I KNOW, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING, AM I? I MEAN, YOU COULD LOOK AT ALL OF IT IS DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO LOOK. AND AND THE OTHER THING TOO, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, ALEX. YEAH, IT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT. IT'S JUST THAT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT HOW SALARIES ARE PAID. THEY'RE NOT PAID OUT OF THE RESERVES. WE HAVE INCOME AS WELL. RIGHT FROM, FROM THE TAXES. AND SO IT COVERS THE SALARY. SO, SO ABOUT 65% OF OUR TOTAL EXPENSES ARE SALARIES. BUT THAT COULD ALL BE COVERED BY THE REVENUE OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR. YEAH. AND THAT'S TRADITIONALLY COVERING OUR SALARIES. WE HAVE WE HAVE ALWAYS BUDGETED SOME OUT OF RESERVES EVERY SINGLE YEAR. AND THAT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I TOLD Y'ALL TO GO BACK AND LOOK, THIS YEAR WE'RE ACTUALLY BUDGETING LESS OUT OF RESERVES THAN WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS WE'RE ALSO NOT PLANNING ANY PROJECTS. WELL, EVEN IF YOU GO BACK EVEN WHEN BEFORE WE WERE PLANNING ON THOSE PROJECTS, WE STILL DID. AND THE DIFFERENCE IS WE NOW ACTUALLY BUDGET OVER TIME WHERE WE DIDN'T. AND SOME OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY ARE, ARE BEING MORE TRANSPARENT WITH IT. BUT AT THIS POINT, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF GET A CONSENSUS OR NOT ON THE AMOUNT OF THOSE POSITIONS. AND SO I'VE GOT TWO OVER HERE THAT ARE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER WADE. YOU FEEL LIKE ZERO. COUNCIL MEMBER BRODERICK YOU FEEL LIKE ZERO. SINCE IT'S GOT TO COME OUT OF RESERVE, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT. COUNCIL MEMBER TREAT, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION. 
          AS FAR AS ALDI GOES, DO WE HAVE ANY PROJECTED INCOME ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BRING? IS THAT TOO SOON TO ASK THAT QUESTION? YES. TOO SOON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. FOR. AUTOMATIC TWO. FOR COUNCIL MEMBER MCCULLOCH. FOR FOUR. OKAY. WE'VE GOT A CONSENSUS OF FOUR FOR THE MAJORITY. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN THERE. WE'LL SEND THAT BACK OUT. SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR YOU GUYS. NEXT ITEM WE'VE GOT IS THE TABLE THAT FOR ANOTHER TIME BECAUSE IT'S 6:00. YES YES YES. 
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WHAT WAS THAT TOTAL FOR WHAT. NOW WE'RE TABLING NUMBER FOUR AND WE WILL SCHEDULE ANOTHER WORKSHOP OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AFTER THANKSGIVING. YES OF COURSE. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. YES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE
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