[Budget Review on December 1, 2025.]
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          RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, YOU GUYS, LET'S TRY TO. WE'VE GOT LOVELY WEATHER OUT THERE, WHICH IS WHY WE MOVED IT TO 5:00. WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS BASICALLY LEFT WITH IT. JILL, I BELIEVE, REACHED OUT TO YOU GUYS ON. HELLO? JILL. OH. I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. I WELL, I WAS FIRST I CALLED YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. ON STEVE SALARY. SHE ASKED YOU GUYS TO SEND HER. HOW DID YOU. WHATEVER YOU FELT AT THIS POINT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN? SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN YOU WERE GOING TO STOP. I'M SORRY. YEAH. 
          NO, I WAS JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO. OKAY. AS MAYOR JUST EXPLAINED, I REACHED OUT TO ALL OF YOU AND GOT YOUR OPINION ON WHAT YOUR OPINION WAS ON STEVE. SALARY AND THE EXPENSE PORTION OF HIS SALARY. 1234567I HEARD BACK FROM SEVEN OF YOU OR I TALKED TO SEVEN OF YOU. AND I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS A BASE SALARY OF 100,000 PLUS 8000 IN EXPENSES TO BE SEPARATED. 
          THAT'S WHAT A MAJORITY SAID. ONE SAID THEY WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE HIM AT 119 FIVE. AND THEN I THINK ALEX THEN TOOK THAT AND PUT IT INTO. THOSE LINES OR WHATEVER. AND NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE ALEX KIND OF WALK US THROUGH WHAT HE'S DONE ON THIS PAPER TO EXPLAIN IT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE TWO OTHER ISSUES THE CITY COUNCIL RETIREMENT QUESTION, AND THEN THE POTENTIAL NEW POSITION IN ANIMAL CONTROL. TAKE TAKE IT AWAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          OKAY, SO THE DOCUMENT THAT I PASSED OUT TO EVERYONE SHOWS THE THE BUDGET AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO YOU AND ALSO THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED SINCE THE INITIAL PROPOSAL. THOSE CHANGES ARE BROKEN DOWN IN THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE SEEING. SO THE TOTAL CHANGES SO FAR WOULD BE 369,620, WHICH WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM RESERVES. THOSE CHANGES ARE IN ADMINISTRATION AND ANIMAL SERVICES. AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE DOCUMENT, YOU SEE EXACTLY HOW THAT 312,000 IN ADMINISTRATION BREAKS DOWN. PART OF IT IS GOING TO BE CHANGES TO SALARIES AND EXPENSES POTENTIALLY. ALSO CHANGES TO CITY COUNCIL RETIREMENT, WHICH WOULD INCREASE WHAT WE WOULD BE FUNDING FROM RESERVES AS WELL. THAT'S NOT IN THERE. AND THEN THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS GOING TO COME FROM THE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT FIVE AND NINE, PARTICULARLY THE ADDITION OF FOUR PEOPLE. THAT ADDS UP TO 259,560. SO IN TOTAL, INCLUDING THE COLA, BECAUSE IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WE HAD NOT INCLUDED A COLA FOR FIRE PROTECTION. SO THIS HAS THE COLA. YES, THIS THIS WOULD ADD THE COLA TO IT. AND SO FOR INSTANCE, THE FIRST LINE WHERE YOU SEE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT FIVE OF 51,000, THAT WOULD BE THE COLA. RIGHT. AND AND SO THAT IT ADDS UP TO 330,706 FOR FIRE PROTECTION. THAT'S BOTH DISTRICTS. THAT'S THE COLA. AND THAT'S THE ADDITION OF FOUR NEW FIREFIGHTERS. THERE WAS ALSO A CORRECTION. ORIGINALLY I HAD MADE A MISTAKE IN VEHICLE EXPENSE UNDER ADMINISTRATION HAD 20,000. SHOULD HAVE BEEN 2000. AND SO YOU SEE THE DECREASE THERE. AND THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THE 312 THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN IN THE CHANGES FOR THE TOTAL BUDGET, THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL CHANGE WHICH WILL BE AN ANIMAL SERVICES. THAT SALARY HAS BEEN DETERMINED. THE PAYROLL, THE BY THE WAY THE RETIREMENT CITY EMPLOYEE AND GROUP INSURANCE THAT YOU'RE 
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SEEING THERE WILL ACTUALLY SHOW UP IN ADMINISTRATION. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW IT IN THIS SECTION SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE TOTAL COST OF ADDING THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT THOSE EXPENSES THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE FOR RETIREMENT AND GROUP INSURANCE, WE NORMALLY SHOW THAT UNDER ADMINISTRATION. AND SO IN THE FINAL BUDGET, THAT'S WHERE IT WILL BE REFLECTED. BUT IT IS IT IS THE RETIREMENT AND INSURANCE FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL FOR POLICE. OKAY. EXACTLY. IT'S ATTRIBUTABLE TO THAT INDIVIDUAL. GOTCHA. BUT THE EXPENSE WILL BE SHOWN UNDER ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE WE SHOW IT IN TOTAL. AND SO WITH THOSE CHANGES SO FAR WE ARE AT 369,620. THAT AS YOU CAN SEE, UP IN THE TOP PORTION IS THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM RESERVES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE HAD ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN. AND THAT WAS 1.8 MILLION. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. AND YOU SEE THAT IN THE SECOND LINE FROM THE TOP. AND AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE HAVE ALWAYS FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER AND MARINA, YOU COULD GO BACK BEYOND THAT, WE HAVE ALWAYS. YEAH, ALWAYS. NO, I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY. SHE'S JUST HAS MORE LONGEVITY ON THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE ALWAYS BUDGETED SOME OUT OF RESERVES. SO I MEAN THERE SEEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT BLOWING UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA. OH MY GOSH. YOU'RE BUDGETING SALARIES OUT OF RESERVES. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO. THAT IS HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. WE HAVE ALWAYS BUT VERY RARELY IF EVER DO WE ACTUALLY UTILIZE THEM. THIS IS JUST A MECHANISM IN WHICH IN GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING YOU HAVE TO DO BECAUSE YOU YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT BALANCED BUDGET. WE'VE WE'VE EXCUSE ME, WE'VE ALWAYS BUDGETED OUT OF RESERVES. AND WHETHER IT'S LISTED AS SALARIES OR REVIEWS, PROJECT, PROJECT OR SOMETHING, IT'S THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF RESERVES. WE MAY HAVE SAID, WELL, IT'S FOR THE PLAYGROUND OR IT'S FOR THE TRUCK OR IT'S FOR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING IS COMING OUT OF RESERVES. HOW WE LIST IT IS ANOTHER ITEM. CORRECT. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WILL. EVEN THE REASON WHY WE TYPICALLY DO NOT TOUCH THE RESERVES IS BECAUSE WHEN WE BUDGET, WE BUDGET FOR EVERY SINGLE POSITION BEING THERE 365 DAYS. AND SO IT NEVER WORKS OUT THAT WAY. YOU ALWAYS HAVE RETIREMENTS, YOU HAVE LAGS, OR THERE'S TIME, YOU KNOW, BEFORE SOMEONE'S GOING TO RESIGN OR SOMEONE'S GOING TO RESIGN. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF THAT THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES. IT'S A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T GET COMPLETED AND GETS CARRIED OVER. IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT IF Y'ALL WHEN YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT THAT FIVE YEAR, FIVE YEAR HISTORY, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE HOW EVERY YEAR THERE WAS MONEY THAT WAS BUDGETED. AND THE ONLY TIME THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY USED IT IS WHEN WE DESIGNATED IT FOR THE CAPITAL EXPENSE OF THE NEW FACILITY, THE NEW POLICE, FIRE TRAINING, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. SO THAT BEING SAID, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEM WHICH THE COUNCIL RETIREMENT AND THEN WE CAN. YES, MA'AM. CAN I JUST THROW MY IDEA OUT HERE THAT YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD. I WAS WORKING TODAY AND IN THIS AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE RESERVE AND AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I, I'M NOT A REAL FAN OF DOING SALARIES. I RESERVE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING PEOPLE HAVE SAID. BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND AND FUNDING THAT PART. AND THEN THE REQUEST FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE WITH REGARD TO ANIMAL THING AND TOTALLY SAID LAST MONTH OR LAST WEEK, WHENEVER IT WAS LAST MONTH. TO THAT I AGREE WITH THE IDEA, BUT DIDN'T LIKE SOME OF THE FUNDING OF IT. SO SOMEHOW THIS AFTERNOON, 430 ISH, 4:00 WHATEVER TIME IT WAS, THIS IDEA CAME. AND IT MAY BE A YUCKY IDEA, BUT IT COULD BE A GOOD IDEA. YOU KNOW, CHIEF SAWYER ASKED FOR NINE POSITIONS WE DIDN'T AGREE TO NINE. WE KIND OF PLAYED AROUND AND SAID MAYBE FOUR. OKAY. BUT HE HIS GOAL IS TO GET NINE. OKAY. THEN WHEN THEN AFTER THAT IT'S WHEN THE CHIEF SHARED WITH THIS POSITION ABOUT THIS THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE ANIMALS. AND I GOT TO THINKING, I SAID, WHAT IF WE TOOK THAT NINE, THAT FOUR AND MADE IT THREE? AND THEN HIS POLICE WOULD BE THE FOURTH POSITION, AND THAT WAY SAWYER COULD COME BACK AND ASK THREE EVERY YEAR, IT'D BE AN EQUAL AMOUNT FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND BOTH WOULD HAVE THE ACCOMPLISHED IT WITHOUT GOING INTO MORE RESERVES THIS 
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YEAR. AND I'M NOT SAYING NO, I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE THREE THIS YEAR. THE NEXT ONE COULD BE NEXT YEAR, AND THAT WAY IT COULD FUND IT. IT WAS JUST AN IDEA TO NOT TAKE AN EXTRA $60,000. I JUST RESERVE I'M SORRY. I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO CHIEF SAWYER BECAUSE HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT TO. I DID CALL CHIEF AND TELL HIM I HAD THIS IDEA, AND I SAID, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW BEFORE I SAY IT OUT PUBLICLY, I WANT YOU TO KNOW I SAID THIS. OKAY? HE DOES KNOW. OKAY? I MEAN, HE LEFT HERE. WE BASICALLY AGREED ON FOUR POSITIONS, SO I JUST DON'T AND I DON'T WANT TO. AND I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T AGREE. 
          I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING I'M TRYING TO GET WE AGREED. I MEAN, SIX OF US AGREED. AND TWO OF THE PEOPLE, ONE OF THE PERSONS WHO AGREED IS NOT HERE TONIGHT TO DEFEND HIS POSITION. ONE OF THE PERSONS WHO DID NOT AGREE IS NOT HERE, BUT 6 TO 2. WE AGREED ON FOUR POSITIONS, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS WHO'S NOT HERE. AND NUMBER ONE, AND I JUST DON'T THINK I MEAN, AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING AGAINST YOU, CHIEF HAGER, BUT WE CAME IN. YOU CAME IN AT THE 12TH HOUR, BASICALLY WITH THIS POSITION THAT, I MEAN, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE JUMPING INTO THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I GUESS WE ARE. SO IF YOU WANT TO COME, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO. WELL, REAL QUICK, CAN I JUST GET LIKE A SHOW OF HANDS OR SOMETHING? DO WE WANT CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION REGARDING THIS? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE FIRE RESERVES ARE? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE ASKED FOR A DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF KNOWING BECAUSE THIS IS COMING FROM GENERAL FUND RESERVES TO TO PAY FOR THESE POSITIONS. SO MY I HAD TWO I'M A BIG FAN OF FIRE PROTECTION. I MEAN YES OBVIOUSLY, BUT NUMBER ONE WE DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE GRANT OR NOT. MY SECOND QUESTION FOR YOU, HOW MUCH IS IN THEIR RESERVES COUNCIL'S ASKING HOW MUCH IS IN YOUR RESERVES? 600,000, 600,000. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK. THAT'S HE SAID THAT'S CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE AN ONGOING RESERVE AT ALL. NO, NO OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GETTING THE GRANT OR NOT. THAT WAS MY OTHER. DO WE WANT TO PAUSE IF SINCE IT'S COMING OUT OF RESERVES ANYWAY, UNTIL WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE GRANT THAT FUNDS THOSE POSITIONS. MY QUESTION IS, IS I KNOW, LIKE TAKING MONEY OUT OF RESERVES SOUNDS SCARY. SOUNDS SCARY TO ME AS A RESIDENT, IS IT REALLY COMING OUT OF RESERVES WITH ALDI'S COMING IN WITH US HAVING NEW SALES TAX DOLLARS, CAN WE HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION OF IF ARE THESE $370,000 WORTH OF FUNDS TRULY COMING OUT OF RESERVES? I TRULY DON'T THINK SO. YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK, YOU KNOW, IN THE 2021 BUDGET, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AVAILABLE FUND RESERVE WAS 2.3 MILLION, AND THAT WAS FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS AGO. RIGHT. 
          AND THEN IT IN 2022, WE BUDGETED OUT OF THE FUND RESERVE 4.4 MILLION. SO WE'VE DONE IT EVERY YEAR. WELL BUT I MEAN THIS IS A FRACTION IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. SO I, WE KEEP SAYING, I MEAN, YES, WE ARE. WE'RE HAVING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET USING THE AVAILABLE FUND RESERVE, BUT IT'S FAR LESS. YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 2020 BUDGET. AND EVEN THEN IT WAS 800 AND, YOU KNOW, 50,000. AND SO I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. SO AND THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP IS BECAUSE THE NINE WENT TO FOUR AND IT WAS JUST A CONVERSATION. NOT SURE IT WAS OFFICIAL, BUT IT WAS LIKE, ARE YOU CAN YOU SUPPORT THAT? BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DOING IT FOR THE YEARS, IT WOULD BE A LEVEL AMOUNT. IF IT'S THREE EACH YEAR, THAT'S I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH AN OFFICIAL VOTE. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IT SEEMS LIKE LIKE IT'S LIKE FOUR OR SOME ARE TYPICALLY ASSIGNED TO A TRUCK, I WANT TO SAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I THOUGHT THE FOUR. BUT HOW THEY'RE FUNDED IS NOT. YEAH, NO, I KNOW THE TRUCK, BUT I GUESS THEN I JUST NEED JUST AN IDEA TO KNOW. YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL WILL JUST KIND OF TELL ME, DO YOU DO THE MAJORITY WANT TO JUST KEEP IT AT FOUR, OR DO WE WANT TO DROP 
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IT AT THREE? SO HOW MANY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT? I'LL START. WE CAN JUST GO DOWN. SO I STICK WITH FOUR FOR FIRE PROTECTION. AND THEN THE ONE ADDED FOR CHIEF I'LL STICK WITH A FOUR FOR FIRE PROTECTION. AND THEN I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ON HIS PERSON. OKAY. I'LL DO FOUR AND ONE. I AGREE. FOUR AND ONE. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF WAITING UNTIL THEY DIDN'T GET THE FUNDING AND THEN CHANGING. SO I DON'T I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING FOR THE FIRE UNTIL WE KNOW THAT WHAT THEIR FUNDING SITUATION IS. YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST TIME, WERE YOU? YEAH, WELL, I THREW OUT AN IDEA. IT'S OKAY. WELL, AND, I MEAN, I'LL. I GUESS I KIND OF LOOK AT OUR BUDGET A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE, I MEAN, OUR WHAT WE CALL OUR RESERVES SHOULD BE USED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS OR CAPITAL FUNDING, CORRECT? OKAY. 
          WELL, WE'VE GOT 2.6 MILLION BUDGETED JUST IN CAPITAL EXPENSES. AND SO IF WE'RE PULLING FROM THAT, I MEAN, IT'S I JUST I JUST MAYBE I JUST LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY GOT 2.6. WELL NOW. YEAH 2.617 BUDGETED FOR THAT. SO I MEAN TO SAY I GUESS I JUST DON'T LIKE THE I DON'T LIKE USING THE TERMINOLOGY THAT WE'RE FUNDING SALARIES OUT OF RESERVES WHEN IF YOU LOOK AT 2.6 FOR CAPITAL, IT'S THERE. I MEAN, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TOO CAUGHT UP IN THAT. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS ALSO BEEN USED VERY DEROGATORILY WHEN THAT'S NOT I MEAN, YOU CAN YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ANY NUMBER OF WAYS. NOT DEROGATORY. NO, NO, NO, NO I'M NOT TALKING. NO, NO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU. OKAY. IT'S BEEN USED ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THANK YOU. MARINA. YES OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. IF WE'RE ALL GOOD, IF WE CAN GO AHEAD THEN AND I, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. OKAY. GO RIGHT AHEAD. MY FIRST QUESTION AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS REALLY ANSWERED LAST TIME, AND I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE MOBILE ADOPTION UNIT AND WHAT MY QUESTION WAS REALLY. AND SHE SAID YES, SHE WOULD TAKE IT OUT MORE IF YOU HAD THIS ADDITIONAL PER PERSON. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT MY QUESTION WAS. MY QUESTION WAS, IS THAT MOBILE ADOPTION UNIT, IS IT IN WORKING ORDER, OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO GET IT UP TO SPEED BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN OUT VERY MUCH? IS IT IN GOOD WORKING ORDER? I THINK WE USED IT TWO MONTHS AGO. OR SIX WEEKS. YEAH. IT IT WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH IT. BUT THE BUT I MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THAT IT IS FUNCTIONAL. IT WE HAD A THERE WAS A GENERATOR PROBLEM WITH IT AND THE THE CITY PLANT AND THAT'S WHY I TURNED AROUND TO SEE IF JOSH WAS HERE, THE CITY PLANT, THEY WORKED ON IT AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A GENERATOR PROBLEM THAT THEY WERE HAVING. AND WE IT HAS BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN USING IT THE THE PROBLEM. AND I TALKED TO MISS WILLIAMS TODAY, I THINK THAT THE I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THE FACT THAT WE WE ARE WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE A SECOND PERSON THAT WORKS IN AN ANIMAL CARE TECHNICIAN THAT WORKS IN THE KENNELS. AND IT'S IT'S AN EXISTING OPENING THAT WE HAVE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT POSITION FILLED. I THINK WE'RE THE YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN IS RIGHT NOW JUST BECAUSE IN AND YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THE VOTERS AND THEY VOTED NO. BUT THE YOU KNOW THERE IS THIS I THINK THERE'S THIS CONFUSION THAT, YOU KNOW BECAUSE WHAT I'VE HEARD IS, WELL, WE SAID WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF IF WE HAD THIS NEW FACILITY. AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL PERSON, THE, THE, THE, THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE AMOUNT OF TURNOVER TIME THERE IS IN THE FACILITY. THEY COME IN IN THE MORNINGS. AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST MOVE ALL THE ANIMALS AT ONCE, CLEAN THE KENNELS INTO, TO MOVE THEM INTO OUTSIDE KENNELS AND TO CLEAN THE KENNELS AND THEN MOVE THEM 
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BACK IN, CLEAN THE OUTSIDE KENNELS AND WE'RE DONE. NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM OUT IN GROUPS, WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM OUTSIDE TO PORTABLE KENNELS, CLEAN, AND THEN WE BRING THAT GROUP IN AND WE TAKE ANOTHER GROUP OUT AND WE REPEAT THAT PROCESS TWICE A DAY. AND SO WE HAVE TO DO IT IN THE MORNING. WE HAVE TO DO IT IN THE EVENING BECAUSE THEY'RE ANIMALS. THEY GO TO THE BATHROOM. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO THAT. AND IT'S A IT'S A TIME CONSUMING PROCESS. IT WOULD BE GREAT. AND I WOULD LOVE TO TELL YOU THAT, THAT WITH THE EXISTING PERSONNEL THAT WE COULD DO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR OUT OF THIS, OUT OF THIS ROLE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. 
          BUT THE THE FACT IS, IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS OUT ON THE ROAD AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO HELP TAKE CARE OF THE KENNELS. THIS POSITION IS NOT A POSITION THAT WOULD BE DOING THAT. THIS POSITION IS A POSITION THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY AND SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING PROFILES, TO ADOPT THE ANIMALS AND WORKING WITH RESCUES TO TO GET THE ANIMALS TURNED. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE'VE SAID THIS PUBLICLY AND WE SAY IT TO EVERYBODY THAT WE HAVE NO INTENT OR DESIRE TO EUTHANIZE ANIMALS EXCEPT FOR MEDICAL REASONS. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT WE'RE GOING TO EUTHANIZE ANIMALS. BUT WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WITH ROOM FOR THE ANIMALS. SO THE MORE THOSE ANIMALS THAT WE CAN GET COMMITTED TO SHELTERS, OTHER PLACES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE RESCUES OR WHETHER THEY'RE FOSTERS OR WHETHER THEY'RE ADOPTIONS, THE MORE SPACE THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S THE GOAL THAT WE HAVE, IS TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE ANIMALS THAT COME IN PLACE SOMEWHERE TO WHERE WE'RE NOT. WE HAVE THAT SPACE IN THE, IN THE KENNEL. SO, AND I, WE JUST DON'T WE'RE CHASING OUR TAIL RIGHT NOW AND WE WE'RE JUST WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THAT. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PUT OUT THAT INFORMATION AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE FRANKLY, OUR CURRENT STAFF IS JUST IT'S AN ENDLESS CYCLE OF JUST TAKING CARE OF THE ANIMALS. DOES THAT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALSO HAVE TO, IN ADDITION TO HIRING THIS PERSON, HAVE TO TURN AROUND, SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO GET OUR MOBILE ADOPTION UNIT UP TO SPEED. ALSO, I, I DO NOT THINK THAT'S THE CASE, AND I BUT I AND THE GOAL FOR THIS PERSON WOULD BE THE ONE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE THE PERSON THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING UP THE, THE EVENTS TO GET THEM OUT AND TO GET THEM ADOPTED. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR ROLE. SO WE CAN LEAVE THE CURRENT STAFF DOING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. CAN YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENTARY ABOUT VOLUNTEERS FOR THE SHELTER, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THIS POSITION WOULD BE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH VOLUNTEERS? YES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD AND WE CAN WE CAN SPECULATE AS TO WHY ALL DAY LONG. BUT THERE WERE YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD VOLUNTEERS IN THE PAST. THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME PROTOCOLS AND GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO WHEN IT COMES TO VOLUNTEERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE DEALING WITH ANIMALS, AND WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO GET IN THERE AND GET HURT, AND WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HURT AN ANIMAL. SO THERE'S A THERE'S TRAINING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. AND IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE ADOPTION THING WHEN OUR OUR STAFF JUST RIGHT NOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT THOSE VOLUNTEERS, NOR REALLY GIVE THEM PROPER TRAINING AND SUPERVISE THEM. AND THAT'S THAT WOULD AGAIN BE A ROLE THAT THIS, THAT THIS POSITION WOULD TAKE ON IS TO GO OUT AND TRY TO ESTABLISH RELATIONSHIPS, TO BRING VOLUNTEERS IN, TO TRAIN THEM, TO OVERSEE THEM AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT BEING CONVEYED, THAT THIS IS JUST A SOCIAL MEDIA TYPE POSITION. NOW, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE MAKING POSTS AND GETTING ANIMALS PLACED AND ADOPTED THAT. LOOKING AT THIS JOB DESCRIPTION, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. THE WAY THAT WE ENVISION THIS PERSON'S ROLE BEING IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE PERSON THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO THE SHELTER, THIS IS THE PERSON THAT THEY MEET WITH. 
          AND THAT ALLOWS OUR STAFF TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO SOMEBODY NOT HAVING TO PULL OFF OF OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY CAN INTERACT WITH PEOPLE, MEET THEIR NEEDS, GIVE THEM A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE ABOUT BEING THERE. ALSO BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WHERE WE CAN GET 
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MORE VOLUNTEERS IN, ESTABLISH BETTER RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOME OF THESE RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS SO WE HAVE MORE AVENUES WITH THE WITH THE CURRENT ANIMALS THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE TAKE IN. TO. MR. ROSS, IS THIS A A COMPILATION OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONES FROM OTHER CITIES THAT WE'VE COMPILED? YES. AND A COLLABORATION. GOTCHA. AND I APOLOGIZE, THE ONE I HANDED YOU ALL HAD A MISSPELLED WORD THAT WAS MY FAULT, NOT HERS. SHE HAD THE CORRECTED VERSION. I GAVE YOU THE UNCORRECTED VERSION. SO SORRY. WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU A SPELLING TEST TODAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ABOUT THE. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. DO WE KNOW IF FIRE DISTRICT NUMBER NINE? I DON'T KNOW HOW THE GRANT WORKS. ARE ARE THEY FUNDING SOME OF THEIR POSITIONS OFF OF GRANT. AND THEY'RE WORRIED THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THEIR FUNDING AS WELL? THAT IS THAT THEY HAVE NOT CONVEYED ANY OF THAT TO US AT ALL. IS THAT THE GRAVEL RIDGE UNIT? YES. DO THEY I MEAN, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THEY'RE IN OUR WARD. SO I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. THE ONLY THING THEY VERBALIZED TO US IS THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR NEW BUILDING AND THEY WOULD LIKE SOME HELP WITH FUNDING THERE. I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT THEY DID MENTION SINCE SHERWOOD, I GUESS, PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS THE MOST RECENT, YOU KNOW, FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO COME AND ASK FOR SOME FUNDS AS WELL. THE LAST TIME WE MET WITH THEM, THEY WERE ON LIKE THE VERY EARLY END OF, I GUESS, FINDING THEIR CONTRACTOR AND FIGURING OUT EXACTLY WHO WAS GOING TO BUILD OUT THEIR FACILITY. BUT THEY DID MEET WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WADE AND I TO DISCUSS THAT. SO THEY DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT POSITIONS MORE OR LESS LIKE A ONE TIME COMMIT COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY TO, I GUESS, PUT MONEY TOWARDS THEIR ACTUAL LIKE BUILDING FUND. YEAH, THEY THEY DID NOT. THEY HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO ASK FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'VE GOT. SO JUST TO ASK THE JUST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GOT THE GRANT, ARE WE EXPECTING TO GET THIS $259,560 BACK? YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS TO FUND PEOPLE, THE GRANTS, THE FUND PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GRANTS FOR. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. WELL, IT WAS MY MISTAKE. I THOUGHT HE SAID THIS WAS THEY HAVE NINE PEOPLE THAT ARE FUNDED ON A GRANT, AND THEY'RE WORRIED THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THEIR FUNDING. I THINK THE GRANT HAS GONE AWAY. BUT HOW ABOUT IF I CALL THEM REAL QUICK AND PUT THEM ON THE PHONE BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT. MY UNDERSTANDING TOO, IS THAT IT WOULD IF WE COULD ASSIST WITH SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT. I'M, I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK ON STATION NUMBER, BUT IT'S THE ONE THAT'S OVER. I WROTE IT DOWN. NUMBER THREE. THREE I WROTE THREE, THREE. THAT'S SHERMAN AVENUE. YES. YES. THAT IF WE COULD ASSIST WITH SOME OF THESE POSITIONS, THAT WOULD FREE UP SOME OF THEIR FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO GO TO REPAIR THAT BUILDING AND WHAT THAT IS, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IT IS LITERALLY FALLING DOWN. AND THEY, THEY A NEW FIRE TRUCK WOULD BE 990 K. YES. AND A LADDER TRUCK IS 2.7 MILLION. 
          YES. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE YEAH. THE DATA OF THINGS. AND THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT THEY'RE EXPENSES THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DO BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD A FIRE TRUCK, SOMEONE HAD A WRECK. 
          THERE WAS A WRECK OR SOMETHING. HE HAD AN ACCIDENT. BUT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE REASON FOR THE ASK, BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THE WHOLE BUDGET. I KNOW HOW ALL THE MONEY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YES. I THOUGHT THAT THEY THOUGHT FUNDING MIGHT GO AWAY IN THE SPRING. HE HE HAD MENTIONED THAT I DON'T I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IF THAT WAS A DEFINITE. DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL HIM OR NOT. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'LL HURT. I MEAN, WHY NOT? I WROTE DOWN, YEAH, I WROTE DOWN AT THE GRANT ENDS ON 426 AND IT MAY LAST TILL 1226. DUE TO BUDGET. YES. I GOT THAT SOMEWHERE IN HERE. 
          THEY'RE LOSING FIREFIGHTERS TO LITTLE ROCK BECAUSE OF MONEY SALARIES. THEY WERE ASKING FOR NINE POSITIONS TO BE TAKEN OVER, BUT WOULD TAKE WHATEVER. HEY. OKAY. COPIOUS NOTES. SO QUESTION FOR YOU. OKAY. SO ARE Y'ALL FOR SURE LOSING THE GRANT OR. YOUR GRANT EXPIRES? CAN YOU APPLY FOR A NEW ONE? NO. SO 100 BY 1226. IT WAS A ONE TIME DEAL AND IT IT IS EXPIRING AND THEY SO THERE'S NO CHANCE OF THEM GETTING. WHEN DOES THAT EXPIRE. ANOTHER GREAT. WHEN DOES IT EXPIRE. EXPIRES. IT EXPIRES IN APRIL. THAT'S FOR 26. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE I HAVE 
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THEM ON THE PHONE. I DON'T HAVE OKAY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. BYE BYE. BEVERLY. SHE TAKES GOOD NOTES. OKAY. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO REMEMBER THIS. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN REMEMBER IT. WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR. CHIEF HAGER? SINCE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED? CHIEF SAWYER. OKAY, I GUESS I DID HAVE ONE OTHER OTHER QUESTION. I MEAN, THIS IS KIND OF UNDER YOUR AREA, SO THERE'S AT THE POLICE. IF WE WERE TO DO THIS AND IT'S 59, BASICALLY $60,000, THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE POLICE BUDGET THAT COULD GIVE TO TAKE AWAY ANY OF THIS MONEY, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU GOT YOUR CUT TO THE BARE MINIMUM, YOUR BARE BONES. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S ALL YOU HAD TO SAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? NO. ALL RIGHT. SO BACK TO I'M JUST TRYING TO DRAW US TO CONSISTENCE. MONICA DOES WANT THE POSITION. WHAT DID YOU DECIDE? I SAID I WANTED TO ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS, AND I DID, AND SO. SO WHERE ARE YOU ON? SO I'M OKAY. SO YOU'RE OKAY? SO WE'VE GOT TWO. YES. POSITION. 
          MEREDITH'S ALREADY SAID YES. CALLIE SAID YES. APRIL'S A YES. IT'S FINE. OKAY. SO THEN WE'LL WE'VE GOT THAT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. SO NOW WE'RE JUST DOWN TO ONE THING, OKAY? WE, THE CITY COUNCIL RETIREMENT PENDING DECISION. AND I DO WANT TO JUST SAY IT'S REALLY WAS MEANT NOT TO BE A RETIREMENT. IT WAS BACK IN THE DAY. IT WAS CALLED SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE. SO IT WASN'T A RETIREMENT THAT THIS IS WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY BEFORE MY TIME. LIKE I THINK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS GOT $75 A MONTH BACK THEN. AND SO THEY GOT THE SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE BECAUSE AT THE TIME, THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE DID PAY FOR THEIR INSURANCE WHEN THEY RETIRED, AND THEN THE THEN THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE NO LONGER PAY FOR THEIR INSURANCE WHEN THEY RETIRE. OR ANYWAY, MAYBE THEY WERE ON A DIFFERENT INSURANCE. SO MAYBE IN BLUE CROSS OR SOMETHING ELSE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THIS IS THE HISTORY I HAVE OF IT, IS THAT WHEN THE INSURANCE THAT THEY WERE ON NO LONGER ALLOWED THEM TO BE COVERED UNDER AS A RETIREES UNDER THAT INSURANCE, THEN THE CITY SAID, WELL, WE'LL JUST GIVE YOU SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE. SO I KNOW THAT MISS ROSS DID RESEARCH THAT. WE'VE UPPED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED US TO CHECK INTO IT THIS TIME IS BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I WAS APPROACHED BY A FORMER COUNCIL PERSON, I WAS NOT APPROACHED THIS TIME. BUT I THOUGHT, WELL, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ME, WHO ELSE IS GOING TO BE AROUND? EVEN THOUGH THAT THIS IS A THING, YOU KNOW, THAT IT DIDN'T GET INCREASED FOR A LONG TIME BETWEEN THE LAST TIME BEFORE THE LAST TIME, THE TIME THAT I ASKED. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED. SO IT'S NOT A BIG THING TO ME. NO ONE'S ASKED ME TO DO IT. I JUST HAPPEN TO BRING IT UP. SO THAT'S. THAT'S THE HISTORY. MISS ROSS, CAN YOU COME UP AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS? BECAUSE MY QUESTION IS, AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, IS, IS RETIREMENT BENEFITS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS? IS THAT A STANDARD AMONG OTHER COMMUNITIES, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT THAT SHERWOOD DOES IN MY RESEARCH, AND WHETHER WE CALL IT RETIREMENT OR SUPPLEMENTAL BONUS BENEFIT, IT IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL. WE'RE THE ONLY CITY THAT I COULD FIND THAT ACTUALLY DOES THAT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO THAT I COULD PULL UP MY LIST OF CITIES THAT DO NOT DO IT, THAT I CONTACTED. I DIDN'T FIND ONE THAT DOES DO IT. IT'S VERY IT APPEARS TO BE ABNORMAL. AND HOW MUCH DO WE GET RIGHT NOW? 300, 300. AND HOW LONG DOES A MEMBER HAVE TO SERVE ON THE CITY COUNCIL? TEN YEARS. 12 YEARS. SO THREE TERMS. IT'S 12 YEARS, I OKAY, I THINK IT SAYS TEN BECAUSE IT'S VERY ODD. NO, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE CHANGED IT. 
          WE DID CHANGE IT. I THOUGHT, WELL HOW DOES SOMEBODY SERVE TEN YEARS WITHOUT SERVING 12 YEARS LIKE THEY GET EVERY TWO YEARS, RIGHT. OH, I THOUGHT WE CHANGED. IS THAT IN AN ORDINANCE SOMEWHERE WE NEED TO PULL THAT UP. AND WHAT IT SAYS. WHAT ORDINANCE IS THAT? OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAID TEN YEARS. ALL I SAW IN ALL THE ORDINANCES THAT I FOUND WAS, I'M SORRY, 12 YEARS. EVERYTHING I FOUND SAID TEN, WHICH AGAIN, I THOUGHT WAS VERY ODD BECAUSE 
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THERE ARE FOUR YEAR TERMS. BUT NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY USED TO BE TWO YEAR, THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. AND THEN 55 OR OLDER, I WANT TO SAY I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? 55 YOU HAVE TO SERVE TEN YEARS AND BE 55 OR OLDER TO GET THAT MONEY. NOT QUITE OLD ENOUGH YET. AND. WE HAD ONE SUGGESTION OF 100. AND I THINK THAT YOU ALSO PUT OUT THERE 50 IS THAT 50 AND 100 WERE TWO OF THE SUGGESTION. 
          SO BASICALLY. WE COULD LEAVE IT THE SAME 50 OR 100. AND I NEED Y'ALL'S OPINIONS ON THOSE. AND I FORGOT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON IT RIGHT NOW. 11 1111. AND I'M GOOD WITH EITHER. I DID THROW OUT THE 100, BUT MY REASONING WAS, I THINK FOR A LONG TIME, COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE UNDERPAID BECAUSE I THINK THE INSURANCE BENEFIT WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE PART OF THE COMPENSATION PACKAGE, AND ORIGINALLY BECAUSE IT WAS VERY HARD TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE. AND THEN THAT CHANGED, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IN 2005, 2008. SO IN MOST EMPLOYERS OFFER HEALTH INSURANCE. IT WASN'T UNTIL RECENTLY THAT WE CHANGED OURS AS A MEDICAL INSURANCE SUPPLEMENT, WHERE YOU COULD USE IT FOR MEDICAL INSURANCE IF YOU NEEDED IT. SO I THOUGHT, WELL, THERE ARE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SERVED FOR A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE DIDN'T GET THE THE FULL BENEFIT OF WHAT WAS INTENDED BECAUSE THAT INSURANCE NEVER CHANGED. SO THAT WAS MY REASONING. BUT IF THE COUNCIL FEELS STRONGLY THE OTHER WAY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. LET'S SEE. KYLE HAD SENT AN EMAIL AND SAID HE WAS GOOD WITH 50, AND SHELBY SENT AN EMAIL THAT SAID THAT HE DID NOT THINK THIS WAS A GOOD TIME AND THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. BUT SO ANYWAY. MONICA, YOU'RE UP. I'M OPEN. I MEAN, I THINK I'M OPEN TO BOTH SIDES. I, I'M KIND OF 5050 HERE. SO ULTIMATELY I REALIZED THAT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. SO THIS IS OUR WHAT OUR FOURTH BUDGET MEETING. SO I REALIZE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE ON THE TIME COMMITMENT THAT'S PUT IN. SO I DO THINK THERE'S SOME FAIRNESS TO WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE. SO I DON'T HAVE AN OPPOSITION TO IT. I'M KIND OF 5050 ON THIS, SO I THINK I'M GOING TO PASS IT AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A LAST MINUTE DECISION. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BROOKS WELL, KYLE IS GOOD WITH 50. I'LL GO WITH 50 SINCE HE SUGGESTED 50. 
          OKAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME. I'M I'M STILL TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT JUST AS A WHOLE. THE FACT THAT WE'RE I MEAN, NOTHING AGAINST ANYBODY THAT HAS SERVED ON THIS COUNCIL FOR MANY YEARS, BUT I CERTAINLY DID NOT RUN FOR A PAYCHECK. AND I JUST, I IT JUST I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME. THAT WE'RE PAYING BENEFITS, RETIREMENT SUPPLEMENT, INSURANCE, WHATEVER TO INDIVIDUALS WHO EITHER CHOSE NOT TO RUN AGAIN OR WERE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE. OKAY, OKAY. SO I'M I'M VERY TORN BY THAT. THE WHOLE THE WHOLE THING. I'M ALSO SORRY GOING HOARSE. I'M ALSO NOT IN FAVOR OF IT. I JUST I DON'T THINK THE OPTICS ARE DESIRED WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. AND I JUST IT MAKES ME FEEL KIND OF ICK WITH EVERYTHING BEING DISCUSSED AND WITH REGARDS TO WHERE PRIORITIES ARE, IT MAKES ME NOT FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. SO OKAY, I'M GOOD WITH THE 50. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS. THIS IS NOT SELF-SERVING FOR ME, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SERVED FOR MANY YEARS, YOU KNOW, LIKE 18 PLUS YEARS AND SO. WELL, BECKY VASSAR, 30 SOMETHING YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PUBLIC THAT SAID, THAT'S TOO LONG. YOU GOT BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT OLD GUARD THAT KNOWS, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN PASS THE BATON TO THE NEXT FOLKS AND THOSE, YOU CAN SAY, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO BE COMPENSATED, BUT WE'RE SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE AWAY FROM OUR FAMILIES AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMPENSATING. WELL, BUT I MEAN, I AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY ELECTED TO SERVE THESE POSITIONS AND THAT'S MY THAT'S THE 
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DIFFERENTIATION WITH ME. SO I JUST I JUST IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME TO COMPENSATE PEOPLE WHO SERVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT WAS THEIR DEDICATION AND THEIR PUBLIC SERVICE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE NOW BECAUSE WE HAD GOOD PREVIOUS LEADERSHIP. SO IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME TO INCREASE IT BY 50. AND SO I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW WE STAND. WE'VE GOT THREE FOR 50 AND THREE. NO MISS WILLIAMS AND WE GOT THESE TWO OPINIONS I'VE PUT THOSE TWO IN OKAY. HAVING BEEN WITH HR FOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS I MEAN BENEFITS WHEN PEOPLE RETIRE IS IS A NATURAL FOR ME. SO DOES IT. AND I THINK IT'S A NOMINAL AMOUNT. I THINK THE 50 IS A NOMINAL AMOUNT. SO IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT $6,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A WHOLE YEAR. I CAN SUPPORT IT. SO IT WOULD WHAT IS THE THERE'S 11 PEOPLE. 11 PEOPLE. YEAH. TIMES $50 A MONTH IS 550 A MONTH TIMES 12 MONTHS. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $6,600 IN EXPENSE FOR THE CITY. YEAH. OKAY. ADDITIONAL. YES, MA'AM. 
          EXACTLY, EXACTLY. YEAH. ADDITIONAL. ADDITIONAL. THANK YOU, I AGREE. IN ADDITION TO. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE SITTING AT SO AND 50 IS YEAH 50. SO WE'RE SITTING AT FOUR FOR 53 FOR NO. 
          AND IN RETURN TO YOU OH I HAVEN'T VOTED YET. NO. YOU PASSED YOU PASSED. YOU WERE YOU PASSED I SEE BOTH SIDES. AND THIS DOES NOT BENEFIT ME. I'VE BEEN ON THE I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL FOR ABOUT 11 MONTHS HERE. I'M A BABY. THIS DOES NOT BENEFIT ME IN ANY WAY. RELYING ON TRADE INSURANCE AGENCY AND NOAH TREE CONSTRUCTION TO PAY MY RETIREMENT IN JESUS NAME. SO. 
          BUT I SEE BOTH SIDES. I MEAN, JUST SHAMELESS PLUG THERE IF YOU'RE LOOKING. SO I SEE BOTH SIDES. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE I'M VERY CENTER. SO. GETTING ELECTED INTO THIS POSITION, IT DOES REQUIRE MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. SO I HAVE RESPECT FOR WHERE SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL SIT. AND I THINK THAT $50 A MONTH FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SERVED VERY SELFLESSLY, I THINK THAT'S VERY FAIR. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE $50 A MONTH RAISE. OKAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. SO THAT PUTS THEM AT 353 50 A MONTH OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S SHOULD BE THE THE LAST ISSUE. AND THEN. AS I TOLD YOU GUYS THE AND THE STREET BUDGET, WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE MOVING THAT ONE ITEM OUT OF NON CAPITAL INTO CAPITAL. NET RESULT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          SO OTHER THAN THAT ARE WE GOOD. MOVE FORWARD WITH. YEAH. YES MA'AM I'M SORRY. OH SO. ARE THERE. WE HAD ON I, I THOUGHT IT WAS WHEN YOU HAD SAID THAT YOU HAD ALREADY. IS THERE IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION. DO WE WANT TO OPEN THAT UP. IS THERE. OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT WAS THE 100,000 SALARY IN 80,080 I MEAN SORRY. YEAH, YEAH. 8000. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, THEN WE'LL CALL THIS ADJOURNED. AND EVERYBODY GO HOME
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